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a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 16:32 asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usg 'humanitarian convoy' set to break through vz border some time this weekend
mircea_popescu: because this is what the crabs do to each other.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly driven by that exact fox's tail swing.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 13:58 spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-18#1897845 : I obtained a ascii-text-only copy of the gutenberg.org archive and it weighs ~18GB; lzma'ed archive of the same is 4.2GB, will post a link in the following days
asciilifeform recalls also pete_d's attempts to sell a 'rebrand' of fuckgoats somewhere
mircea_popescu: you recall, dude had meltdown over how his brain can't function with "fuckgoats" the string being involved.
asciilifeform: hrm. was definitely summer of '17 tho
mircea_popescu: hmmm... i dun think so tbh, was a DIFFERENT set of these equally indistinguishable amateur shitheads.
asciilifeform remembers this purely from head, but prolly there's a log somewhere
asciilifeform: didn't make it into the piece, but was in the chan
asciilifeform: aa that was in the catv dig
mircea_popescu: was some other pos with some retard defending it in the usual terms of "not nice words" or some similar bs. aaanyways.
mircea_popescu: actually, do you recall those "business" imbeciles discussing "the superior alternative to phuctor" and "what to do in case of divorce" roth-blabla in the same breath ?
mircea_popescu: all the way back to fucking 2014.
asciilifeform: one might naively picture heathens would jump at 'i bring martian tech and +9000 strength of will' etc. but nope. 'we built a++ straw plane, cargo when'
mircea_popescu: there's really a lengthy list of these, "o noes, someone's fundamentally not as fucked in the head as us ?! O GOD SAVE US FROM SUCH HORRORS!!!"
mircea_popescu: see, i'm far from that fabled 100% foolproof etc.
asciilifeform: nope, it's the item mircea_popescu did full postmortem on, linked above
mircea_popescu: i was afraid i dropped a thread there for a moment.
mircea_popescu: a ok then.
asciilifeform: was their proj title
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:18 bvt: i have also seen a one guy at suckless complaining about this back in the day: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/1605/28871.html
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898560 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22suckless%22 turns out ~little and there's apparently no mention ever on trilema, yet it's firmly classified under cat-v in my head. wtf happened here, did we ever say hi or anything ? ☝︎
asciilifeform realizes that he never actually tried to build a gcc w/out cppism support. this really gotta be tried
mircea_popescu: that has to be there, yeah. might be some flag faggotry tho, i am foggy.
asciilifeform: did not find any hard-dependency on cpp in 4.9 other than when it builds cpp standard lib
mircea_popescu: this afaik is weaker than concrete, tho.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:11 asciilifeform: ^ is this troo ? cuz if yes, possibly we're on the 'wrong' gnat..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898554 << afaik was "desired" by the pantsuit core + amateur enablers starting maybe then, but that desire only became factual with 5 branch. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a yeah. this might be ... yeah, 2007 or some shit.
asciilifeform: ( tinyscheme also pretty crufty but at least ~small~ )
asciilifeform: it is ! it's the turd the gimp folx replaced ye olde tinyscheme with
asciilifeform spend 2d digging in tcc and a (sad) attempt at crystallography
mircea_popescu has spent the past two days @world's largest hotsprings, horseback riding etc, is now looser than an amateur's synapse.
mircea_popescu: hey there asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:01 asciilifeform: loox potentially interesting tho. bvt didja try it ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898544 yeah, if it weren't fucking dead. lotta these http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.6-197.28 slash http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/#footnote_0_78439 etc littering the internets. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/Cb06Q << 12 arrests over 72 grams of drugs during an incursion by Uruguayan police into the separatist republic of Cerro
BingoBoingo: Banco Bandes Uruguay (a subsidary of the Venezuelan Development bank) is still functioning normally.
BingoBoingo: Border with Brazil is closed, border with Colombia set to close.
asciilifeform wonders if that's where mircea_popescu went, to watch from front row..
asciilifeform: ( i.e. coupla-km column of trucks fulla ak & ammo ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usg 'humanitarian convoy' set to break through vz border some time this weekend ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And now the local news is in a panic about FISH! Pirannahs in Salto and "pez sapo" on the "angry beach" in Punta del Este
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The grain just makes it artsy porn
a111: Logged on 2019-02-18 02:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897404 << before this gets lost in the chaos of gcc vivisections -- spyked , would be interesting to pry apart the zips & deduplicate , see what the actual text mass adds up to
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-18#1897845 : I obtained a ascii-text-only copy of the gutenberg.org archive and it weighs ~18GB; lzma'ed archive of the same is 4.2GB, will post a link in the following days ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the win was that it was fast -- no darkroom , expose the little enema-like thing it comes in, then manually masturbate it for min or so, wash, and scan.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect it aint the best 35mm film either, and the 'monobath' developer worsens the already pretty severe grain.. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's prolly last 1 for a while, it's just about the limit of what can be done with the dentist 35mm film
asciilifeform: in entirely other olds, https://repo.or.cz/tinycc.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/arm64-gen.c << current (?) arm64 backend of tcc. ( nfi whether worx -- but pretty compact , as these go. )
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/usgalphabetgoogle-claim-they-intended-to-declare-secret-microphones-existence-actually-waited-until-other-people-found-it-now-attempting-to-spam-over-their-treachery/ << Qntra -- USG/...ogle Claim They Intended To Declare Secret Microphone's Existence, Actually Waited Until Other People Found It, Now Attempting To Spam Over Their Treachery
asciilifeform: based on looking at the src, ^ appears to be troo re ave1's, and the claim on bootstrappable.org -- disinfo
asciilifeform: via bvt's link : '...versions of GCC prior to 4.8 also allow bootstrapping with a ISO C89 compiler and versions of GCC prior to 3.4 also allow bootstrapping with a traditional (K&R) C compiler...'
asciilifeform: lotsa .cc ( also cpp ) , but not clear that they're part of gcc proper, rather than cpp standard lib. will require a proper walk (or , alternatively, to rebuild the thing with flags banning cppism and see if barfs )
asciilifeform: so entirely possible that the '4.7' thing is disinfo
asciilifeform: a quick look at the ave1gnat src reveals ~2dozen .cpp , but they all look to be part of the cpp test suite
bvt: i have also seen a one guy at suckless complaining about this back in the day: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/1605/28871.html ☟︎
bvt: but version 4.9 looked healthy (i.e. plain c, did not see any cpp code there). i had a look at a single file, though, so this is no guarantee.
asciilifeform: if there is, it must go.
asciilifeform: bvt: q is whether there is cppism in the 4.9.
bvt: i have seen reports of this, but never verified myself. my understanding is that there is a slow c++zation of gcc: i backported one gcc patch for my home system from 6 to 4.9, this involved removing c++ chunks.
asciilifeform: ^ is this troo ? cuz if yes, possibly we're on the 'wrong' gnat.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: other interesting claims, in https://bootstrappable.org/projects.html we find that 'The C and C++ compilers of the GNU Compiler Collection make up the foundation of many free software distributions. Current versions of GCC are written in C++, which means that a C++ compiler is needed to build it from source. GCC 4.7 was the last version of the collection that could be built with a plain C compiler'
asciilifeform: bvt: imho still worth a test-fire, i'm curious if even given the stated conditions the thing runs
asciilifeform: ok this didn't take long... claims to 'bootstrap from 500 byte assembler', in opening page, but then : 'GNU Guile, version 2.0.13 or later, including 2.2.x; GNU Make. NYACC, 0.86.0 is known to work. GCC’s gcc, version 2.95.3 or later.'
bvt: it seems to be quite a new item, iirc less than a year old. i'd expect it does not support arm. can't say anything about bugs without trying out.
asciilifeform: https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/manual/mes.html << subj docs, for the l0gz
asciilifeform: i admit, will be surprised if it actually does what's printed on the box, and still i never heard of it
asciilifeform: loox potentially interesting tho. bvt didja try it ? ☟︎
bvt: hi, asciilifeform: did you see this https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/ ?
asciilifeform: in other olds, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2005-09/msg00054.html << report re how gcc built with tcc ( spoiler : ancient gcc, and still required some patching )
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-account-of-books-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715. - Account of Books - II.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can muster the juice, wainot try an' wake him . iirc mircea_popescu has a ~100% 1shot 1kill record for these.
asciilifeform: iirc classic tcc built self + kernel
mircea_popescu: supports all the targets qemu does, B) can build linux and busybox and uClibc and itself (thus providing a self-bootstrapping system; I'd upgrade busybox to have missing bits like "make"). << maybe HE could be doing the tcc work, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: Someday if I get back to this topic, I want to glue either sparse or the tcc front end to qemu's tcg back end and produce a new compiler that A)
asciilifeform does not even know what to add to ~that~..
asciilifeform: 'My wife's name is Fade. We got married at Penguicon 2007. Fade's boss Steve Jackson officiated, and Eric Raymond was best man. (The wedding fit into a 1 hour panel slot and was moved once so as not to conflict with an Elizabeth Bear panel Fade wanted to attend, and a Charlie Stross panel Steve wanted to attend. Yes, we're all that geeky.)'
asciilifeform: i'ma roust him when we get own tccism going
mircea_popescu: but, if looking for more targets to practice your email curse...
mircea_popescu: anyway, has a shitty html blog, all the symptoms people go through in that quarter or two between when they get the republic illumination and when they become actually useful/productive.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/uccellacci-e-uccellini/ << Trilema -- Uccellacci e uccellini
asciilifeform: i dunget why he gives a fuck re 'eclipsed' tho
asciilifeform: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2008-09/msg00013.html << apparently 'My objection all along has been that CVS is not a real source control system, and no modern project should be burdened with it' etc
mircea_popescu: ers side of the great bazaar brawl.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is the quoted item bellard ? or sumbodyelse
asciilifeform: it resembles that story with rms & lmi
asciilifeform: not even clear, from this telling, which the cunts and which the dood with patches
mircea_popescu: "hen I stopped work on my fork, the other project stopped, but when I started up again, so did they. All I was doing was keeping the CVS tree just active enough to exclipse mine, and I was tired of it."
mircea_popescu: basically, the cunts were just taking dood's patches and dropping them in their toilet.
mircea_popescu: "(People sent me bug reports about the 0.9.24 release. Yeah, that release contained a lot of code copied out of my tree into CVS, but the release was based on CVS, not on my tree.) By 2008 as CVS sank into obsolecense, TCC had clearly decided to go down with the ship. No matter how much work I put into my fork it would never eclipse the "official" tcc project (which could of course read my code to advance their tree)."
mircea_popescu: this is actually more substantially gnu than any tech/engineering/cs/anything. invidious wikitards rather than anything else.
mircea_popescu: obody wanted to work with me on my version because it wasn't "official"."
mircea_popescu: "This used to be the page for my fork of Fabrice Bellard's Tiny C Compiler, but I got sick of competing with a mostly dead CVS archive that nevertheless remained "official". Every time I worked on my fork it inspired new work in the old CVS archive, and every time I set my fork aside the old project ground to a halt. Even though the old tcc project repeatedly stagnated whenever I stopped working on my fork for a few months, n
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lang that quietly locks ~errything behind yer back, whether you wanted or not, does tend to run 'at speed of 1 core', a la python
asciilifeform: i suppose this is good news, trinque ( i feared that he had gone to the bottom )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 01:45 mircea_popescu: but the ensemble will not move at the speed of a single core will it ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 02:06 asciilifeform: ... which means they're liable to all end up on 1 physical cpu, lol
asciilifeform: (c) also dun play very well with the underlying (b) that one is forced to contend with if you actually want physical parallelism, at least not w/out extraordinary care