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asciilifeform: and the 'pretend culture' at least in as far as it concerns public key crypto, was a very deliberate plank of the 'cypherpunk' folks - 'let's use crypto for every piece of shit, to defeat traffic analysis'
mircea_popescu: but i'm nothing oif not persistent, so lemme try.
assbot: FBI 'planted backdoor' in OpenBSD • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1HilwSq )
mircea_popescu: anyway : there's this entire pretend culture, and it goes very deep. dunno how to properly illustrate it in its meta splendor.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall some incident where precisely this happened.
asciilifeform: (if he did, by all rights 2015 ought to have happened in 2005, or 1995... ?)
mircea_popescu: orly ? i thought he just dumps code someone emailed him intop the kernel.
asciilifeform: but how often? between him and the gods. i wouldn't know
mircea_popescu suddenly realised, sometimes last night, that the deep reason nothing works is simply that - all of it was made on a lark.
asciilifeform: what i mean to say is, the folks selected for this special delicacy treat, were selected presumably for reasons ?
mircea_popescu: i bet you, dollars to donuts, that they signed it for "wouldn';t it be cool if" reasons. an d the thing doesn't actually work / is not full lengthj /.trivially defeated on some op sec hole or other.
asciilifeform: and the folks releasing code (anvin? a few others?) did sign it
asciilifeform: and some of the maths students may have had something or other to say to someone or other
mircea_popescu: it's a case of, 12 yo girly playing a game she doesn't understand with toys that aren't really toys. except online and with boys.
asciilifeform: had at least in their own planet, a use
asciilifeform: idk, the 'update signing key' people
asciilifeform: as in, nothing ever changed from their signature being on it or not ?
asciilifeform: 'go to the place - where? no one knows, and bring me back that - which? no one knows' (tm)
mircea_popescu: this includes the pgp mailing list.
mircea_popescu: i'll take it a notch further : none of them had anything to sign. ever.
mircea_popescu: because hey, that's the way to do things.
asciilifeform: ah that one
asciilifeform: punkman: nope. and it would almost certainly vanish in their spam filter, also.
mircea_popescu: you got one schmuck exercising his right to be idiotic is the sumall.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you email all of the already? I remember some mention of emails
mircea_popescu: something like that.
asciilifeform: i suppose now that their names have been 'googleable' for months, and still no reaction - this conclusion is nearly inescapable
mircea_popescu: neither class wants to talk to you about it, for different reasons.
mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what, ~nobody on the list~ has brain ?
mircea_popescu: you're coming from tyhis weird place where we're all possessed of functioning brains here on this great internet and stuff. wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would like to find what they have in common ?
asciilifeform: (doubt it will have any effect. perhaps ought to consider spamming them?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote a short post last night, linking to an archive.today of the phuctored list, and exhorting the folks whose names appear therein to write
punkman: how do you pronounce shotgun with more/less syllables than two?
mircea_popescu: well, it exists as a signed thing in the hands of the conference participants.
asciilifeform: and clicked (by mistake) just now, noticed that no one can see it.
asciilifeform: except that i linked to mircea_popescu's pgp key in a post
trinque: "Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two." << wahahaha
mircea_popescu: srsly, there;s nothing new there as opposed to yest.
asciilifeform: the troll lives on sunshine
punkman: every ;;isup trilema.com feeds the troll
asciilifeform: prolly more of the usual
mircea_popescu: shoulda read it yesterday, what is this.
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
assbot: Re: two questions about strings - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE2ZW8 )
ben_vulpes: "we can, therefore we must"
ben_vulpes: (but ascii - i /can/ mutate in place, therefore i /must/!)
trinque: well fuck, it is that
trinque: hm yeah, that's much cooler; it's a lot like you'd describe a grammar for a parser generator
asciilifeform: re: binary-types, see esp. the mirror link, for example
asciilifeform: but the whole point of a computer is that you do the 50, so you don't have to do the 50,000 over next 20 years.
asciilifeform: then you will have a jewel in your toolbox that you can use 20 years from now
ben_vulpes: well how'd i know without putting myself up for the cane
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:01:52; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222073 << this is seriously, deeply 'un-lispy' code. it explicitly reads fields!!! what you oughta do is define the 'message' structure in the most minimal way you can think of, and then write a routine that snarfs any structure defined that way, whatever it may be. ☝︎
asciilifeform: reminiscent of what mircea_popescu suggested, but with moar duct tape and chicken wire
asciilifeform: punkman: the linked page is connected to a live pool. and demands password (presumably subscriptions are sold?)
punkman: plenty of pages like that
asciilifeform: why the fuck are 0-valued outputs spendable !?
assbot: Someone has broadcast a transaction with 20,000 inputs! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE0PG5 )
asciilifeform: the latter is ~entirely irrelevant~ to a call graph!
asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership ☟︎
asciilifeform: no thx
asciilifeform: 'help the mouse find the cheese'
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too) ☟︎
asciilifeform: so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search
asciilifeform: at any rate, i originally wanted this as a wall poster
trinque: clicking collapsed nodes to expand might be helpful
asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract ☟︎
trinque: yeah, best to just have some layout algo make it readable
asciilifeform: except there is no reason to make it a clicking and dragging game
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'springy' thing is quite like the molecular strain sims i've used
trinque: so... what about those JS things
asciilifeform: the above observation is not a criticism of solrodar's work, but of the catastrophically inadequate existing tooling
asciilifeform: this conveys ~zero~ useful information. in particular, the fact that 'CNode :: PushVersion' is a deadcode island is no longer visually apparent.
assbot: cola.js: Constraint-based Layout in the Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IE0141 )
asciilifeform: you will see things like: 'CNode :: PushVersion' is connected! to whom?? to 'CNode :: CNode'.
trinque: would be nice to grab a node and shake
asciilifeform: and, after you do this, aside from the nightmare of intersecting lines and bubbles light-years away from their ~only~ antecedent, etc,
asciilifeform: yeah that was what i saw
asciilifeform: link to latest version of this?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's keep it simple. have you loaded the svg in gimp and examined the picture painted.
asciilifeform: the place i'm trying to go with this is: dead code ought not be in The Book, except - in the one and only case where it pre-dates gavin et al, it could be shoved into an appendix
asciilifeform: trinque: gcov is useful but doesn't prove code to be alive or dead, can only suggest
trinque: I'm going to give that thing a few more shoves today and see if I can get it all in one tree
asciilifeform used grep to answer the question, unambiguous 'no'
trinque: split the results between the build dirs and the ourlibs dir
trinque: asciilifeform: that thing's a bit jacked
asciilifeform: well i just gave an example. can you tell from that picture whether it is theoretically possible for the 'subscription' routines to be called?
mircea_popescu: how would i decide that if.
asciilifeform: if it was what i saw, that wasn't readable !
asciilifeform: and indeed, i see no graph path to them
asciilifeform: trinque's gcov paint these a very deep red (0 runs)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0526 << interestingly, these appear to be dead code. what were they meant for ?
assbot: How important are individual full nodes, and how much does it benefit the network per individual? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2oyu2 )
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fi92w/how_important_are_individual_full_nodes_and_how << check out the philippinos
asciilifeform: but the 'black hole' effect, also.
mircea_popescu: how long it's been on is the largest factor for that metric.
asciilifeform: though, strangely enough, the best-performing (e.g., fewest 'black hole' issues) node in my fleet thus far has been 'zoolag', which is sitting under my desk, on residential fiber