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asciilifeform: jurov: don't confuse the retardation of unix&descendants for 'the real computer'
jurov: all out email and else woes are due to text originally defined as "interspersed by cr in shorter intervals than any buffer wherever gets() is used"
chetty: feed the computer anything, with front panel switches
asciilifeform: and you can tell from a distance when a sector of civilization has been consumed by the cancer
mircea_popescu: you got plenty of time.
asciilifeform: but jurov isn't wrong, per se, there probably ~is~ a reactor somewhere handled by four java boxes trying to cover for each other's garbagecollector pauses
asciilifeform: jurov: go feed it the text
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 03:40:09; decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 03:39:28; decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
jurov: and i strongly suspect the computers of yore aren't what alf imagines, either. have them eat a text with arbitrary linelengths and see
mircea_popescu: a world of play-pretend like they're adults and doing things
mircea_popescu: i tell you. there are no professionals left. all children posing for the mirror.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1) nothing realtime-reactive runs in java 2) the counter overflows after what was it, 8 months of continuous engine time ????
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of nuke plants is more akin to a UP's big boy control hatch. this is not how they work, whole shit's run in java these days. for that matter - remember the recent airbus which had all 4 engines stop because counter smash issues ?
asciilifeform: jurov: ask the folks with the intact sov reactors
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 20:02:14; mircea_popescu: siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do.
asciilifeform: can't get the pdp new.
asciilifeform: this is because the poor saps were stuck buying new
asciilifeform: jurov is almost certainly thinking of the refinery
asciilifeform: (which in turn is mostly a display of gui dials and gauges)
asciilifeform: largely autonomous from the shitputer
asciilifeform: and i'd bet good money that there is, somewhere deep inside that win2k reactor, a real computer
asciilifeform: jurov: the thing is, nothing is built from the ground up (except for the circus mentioned earlier just now by mircea_popescu) with 'excel'. the infrastructure is running on fumes
mircea_popescu: (gauss copula, look into that sometime. if you want "pseudoscience that burned the world", global warming's nothing, witch hunts are nothing, this thing ruioned trillions)
mircea_popescu: or my info as to how the entire fucking house of cards came down chiefly bewcause some idiots were doing copula calculations
jurov: (i mean, when they are installed, hopefully not when they are built. but not sure on that, either)
jurov: decimation: perhaps you missed how my info how gigawatts of steam turbines are simulated and projected ... in excel
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (or even valid in a block) << they are not valid. they are spendable for reasons that have to do with what the protocol says, ie, unintentionally.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re punkman's reddit link - the tards miss the fruit and focus on the pit of that thing, as usual.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 19:59:28; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222307 << no shit. and if i'd learned it, wouldn't need the diagram. ☝︎
decimation: it's not like they sell enough of them for 'people to come to expect'
mircea_popescu: siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do. ☟︎☟︎
decimation: where's the german alternative to microsoft?
decimation: 17:42 <+jurov> everything had to be modernized by siemens & co.. < jurov, but why does 'modernize' mean 'run on winblows 2k?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract << this is actually a pretty great idea. and then run iterations over the thing until stable.
shinohai: I m syncing the dark side's wallet, keeps crashing with CDB: Error -30974, can't open database
mod6: <asciilifeform> interestingly, incitatus synced and stayed synced today << ahh ok, thanks for the heads up
shinohai: I had hoped you could churn out another story based on that xD
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nope. Jericho it turns out is not actually Cecil's brother. CNN is just listening to any crank who calls in.
punkman: "Reportedly, Koko enjoys seeing human nipples and will request her female caregivers to show them to her on occasion. This has resulted in sexual harassment lawsuits by caregivers who have felt pressured by Patterson to show their nipples to Koko against their will. Attorney Jody Weiner, who previously represented KoKo in licensing agreements, writes that he should have recognized warning signs of a sex scandal. "
assbot: Cecil the lion's brother Jericho is alive - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiMDgk )
shinohai: LOL BingoBoingo haz to update his article: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/02/world/cecil-the-lion-brother-jericho-alive/
kakobrekla: >I cooked up a multi-user general ledger system based on this hardware in '79. My client was a rural Iowa accountant who (what a prophet!) was afraid of hacks, so he insisted it NOT be compatible with anything else on the planet. So, though NorthStar DOS was way ahead of it's time, I had to ditch it. I burned my own boot EPROMs, wrote the whole thing using Ashley's assembler. You just can't do that anymore.
jurov: everything had to be modernized by siemens & co..
jurov: can't even imagine what noise would austrians do if a reactor nearby would be allowed to run on something homebrew
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k << why not me while at it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess that's a point yea.
trinque: that actually covers everything I needed, I think
trinque: cool! thanks!
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz this one is from july 3
trinque: jurov: I missed a bunch of messages due to that tls thing, so I'm trying to grab all those
jurov: i will, too. eventually.
jurov: in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k
kakobrekla: out to where ?!
asciilifeform: just let me know the day before, so i can catch the last plane out.
jurov: yes they do
asciilifeform: when a pc runs reactor - yes, that is the end.
asciilifeform: the thing that ~must~ be understood is that the ancient iron is maintained entirely, wholly, as a shield against microshitification
asciilifeform: but no, the unspoken qualification is the two-metre-long beard
asciilifeform: 'PDP-11 assembler coders are hard to find' << what a pile of shit
asciilifeform: (in the rocket, a miniaturized variant; on land - the real thing)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it was officially proclaimed, at one point, that the sole remaining american land-based nuke delivery vehicle, 'minuteman', is 100% vax-powered
asciilifeform: because if it were not - the water stops coming out of the tap
asciilifeform: instead, it is, e.g., transplanted to a 486 using the emulator mentioned earlier, handwritten by a fella with prolly a metre-long beard
asciilifeform: i will add, btw, that yes, i know that 'code from 1973' is not 'maintained' in the modern idiot bottomless-barrel-of-bug sense
trinque: at least there are sigs; I don't really care about having identical mail headers to the originals
trinque: I wrote a python script last night that turds together maildir mail from the txt dumps, but it's a hack at best
trinque: jurov: how hard is it to dump maildir mail files from mailman?
assbot: Nuke plants to rely on PDP-11 code UNTIL 2050! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hiobf3 )
trinque: is that poor guy still maintaining it?
asciilifeform: iirc the 'cypherpunk' folks thought of themselves as anonymous soldiers trying to pave the way for 'lords' to use key without insta-flagging
mircea_popescu: do not expect a girl with a collar is actually a slave - she probably thought it looks good for her facebook ; do not expect someone with a pgp key is a lord - they probably were just trying to impress someone.
assbot: BBspot - Paris Hilton Releases Tinkerbell Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hinhz7 )
mircea_popescu: alrighty then. that was my sad storyt for today.
asciilifeform: and then gives it out to demented bums
asciilifeform: which prints the payola
asciilifeform: if you go by financials, then the 'industry' is the u.s. fed.
asciilifeform: not the flies on his horns.
asciilifeform: easy: the ox
asciilifeform: and the condom injection molds going
asciilifeform: the industry, in actuality, is grey beards maintaining code written in 1973, which keeps the water mains pressurized and the lights on.
mircea_popescu: trying to feed themselves out of used condoms left behind in dark alleys
asciilifeform: (as do a great many american .mil systems, of the kind which still work)
asciilifeform: not hobbyists. those use 'open source' emu
asciilifeform: on whom the remnants of 'the west' stand, like on elephants on turtles.
asciilifeform: somebody's buying that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that pdp emulator fella ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i know, this sound like 'martians live among us'
trinque: I was fumbling for that idea the other day re: internal representations of identity
mircea_popescu: since then, everyone's just been trying to salvage utility out of the kids' roleplaying
trinque: you're going to get fake representations out of most, if it cuts it with the people looking at them
mircea_popescu: possibly the last time anyone did anything for serious with computers was in tyhe 80s.
trinque: sounds like the problem with letting most people define themselves on their own
mircea_popescu: and then forgot about it.
mircea_popescu: then they went about roleplaying their super-secret-agent kink for a while
mircea_popescu: and i posit that the entire fucking thing, "from the ground up", is B. all of it.
mircea_popescu: case B : kid sees girl in bar, works up his courage until 3am, eventually approaches her and explains that he's into kinky stuff. which works out, because she always dreamed about being raped, so they meet in dark alley and have some great sex.
mircea_popescu: case A : kid sees girl in bar. waits for moment when no-one's looking around 3am, kloinks her in the head with bottle, drags her dark alley outside, shreds her clothes and her virginity.