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gernika: Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread. Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out. What do you buy with the small amount of capital? Convencience store? Restaurant? Who will work there? Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.
asciilifeform: last i checked, david schmidt will sell these for ~200 or so
decimation: who knows what they are gonna get
decimation: yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800
asciilifeform: a few thou. sold
asciilifeform: helps to recall that neither was a 'mass' item in the modern sense
asciilifeform: even though they were much more compact than a 360
asciilifeform: or for that matter, very few symbolics lisp machines survive in working order
decimation: interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive
decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today
asciilifeform: (not that he needs'em for anything, but might not resist urge to discover if it was a true microscope in the sense of cracking a skull well)
asciilifeform: all i can say to this is - don't lend mircea_popescu yer microscopez
asciilifeform: yes, mircea_popescu will probably say that a microscope that is not also a hammer is a worthless thing and ought never to have been considered a microscope
decimation: especially if he doesn't want to keep to a 'push shit out the door we'll fix it later' schedule
asciilifeform: just as it was not the worst, by any reasonable measure, soviet physicists, who ended up driving cabs or drinking to death
asciilifeform: but the problem is not limited to plankton
asciilifeform: it is very easy to dismiss mr.unemployable as 'plankton' without knowing anything about him
asciilifeform: craftsmen (programmer) for whom there is no economy to work in
asciilifeform: but the article linked earlier was about something else
decimation: asciilifeform: the raw fact is that around 60-70% of the us 18-65 population is only capable of 'unskilled' labor of this type at best
asciilifeform: this is probably why mircea_popescu suggested that they ought to compete for who can most creatively mutilate his cock on camera, rather than apply to 'walmart'
assbot: Wal-Mart has a lower acceptance rate than Harvard - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIGfV0 )
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/28/wal-mart-has-a-lower-acceptance-rate-than-harvard/ "Last year when Wal-Mart came to D.C. there were over 23,000 applications for 600 jobs. That's an acceptance rate of 2.6%, twice as selective as Harvard's and over five times as choosy as Cornell."
asciilifeform: no expectation of paid time off, or health insurances
decimation: they will apply and qualify for the appropriate gov't subsidies too
asciilifeform: folks who won't hate you for paying them starvation wage, who won't pack up at dawn at the first sign of 'real' work
asciilifeform: ~i~ wouldn't hire'em if i were them, either.
asciilifeform: and of the 1m ?
asciilifeform: how many of the 62k had computer science degrees ?
asciilifeform: aha, this.
decimation: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/getting-job-mcdonalds-harder-getting-accepted-ivy-league "In 2011, McDonald's announced it would hire 50,000 new employees on April 19 for its National Hiring Day. They eventually hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied. This is noteworthy because many commentators have accused the unemployed of being lazy and unwilling to work."
asciilifeform: where you walk in to a 'cooks wanted', 'i need a job', they: 'you will leave as soon as you find work programming again, go away now'
decimation: asciilifeform: since you already have a record of paying taxes you can't fake disability
asciilifeform: ^ that was for 'disability pension' from usg
decimation: didn't last psychiatrist have a post about what is needed to 'prove' you are 'poor'? like no job, ever?
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:05:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223264 << there is a thread in the logs consisting of me essentially saying that if you can't fake stupiud you're not smart.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia ☝︎☟︎
decimation: if nursing home, doctor, real estate - had to be paid for in gold that couldn't be magicked into existance, the prices would change rapidly...
decimation: but to connect with your point, clearly as long as you are wholly owned by usg, doing business in its monopoly money, don't be surprised when 'it giveth and taketh away'
decimation: unless you were intentionally ensuring that 'schmucksons' couldn't become wealthy enough to tell usg to fuck off...
asciilifeform: decimation: so the current can return to the earth
decimation: why put that provision in the law at all?
decimation: no my point is that usg demands jr drains the account
gernika: Not much of it would make it to schmuckson jr after gift tax
asciilifeform: to play the cycle again
asciilifeform: it'll go straight to his creditors
decimation: you can even give to schmuckson jr - but as soon as he gets his hands on it the clock starts
asciilifeform: picture if the whole idiocy asylum of mr. schmucksons tried to cash in their 400k each and buy turkeys
decimation: they are better in the sense that usg promises not to charge further tax
asciilifeform: it 'returns to dust' because 'from dust it came'
decimation: asciilifeform: I made this point awhile ago about 'roth' ira accounts
asciilifeform: it went to the same place the electric current in the neutral phase of your mains socket goes.
decimation: yes that's likely
asciilifeform: what he is actually going to buy, in likelihood, is a few years of nursing home.
asciilifeform: say he isn't ready to die yet
asciilifeform: he can... die? then the 400k becomes 0, it pays off mr schmuckson jr.'s college loans
decimation: well, to go to mircea's point, he can't buy 30 year old health
asciilifeform: real estate 'wealth' is the ultimate bezzle, nothing like 400,000 time the N of houses in $sector is even available as 'turkey-buying dollars'
decimation: but home equity comes from bank debt, which comes from the combination of how much maturity transformation is allowed and how much money the fed prints..
asciilifeform: (or if anything like most of'em tried to cash in)
asciilifeform: see where the 47x figure will go if you discount houses.
decimation: I suppose my hypothesis is that if assets were demoninated in actual hard currency they wouldn't be able to run this kind of ponzi
decimation: it's not mysterious who this '1%' are
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah except if you read my initial link, old people have 47x more wealth than <35
decimation: which means you need to have a house bought before 1980 and be older than 65
asciilifeform: yes, a handful of thugs end up with the lion's share
decimation: be on the receiving end of the above payments
asciilifeform: it is approximately the same as asking who is +ev in prison
asciilifeform: decimation: what the hell does it even mean to be +ev in modern usa?
decimation: asciilifeform: not that they had children who were raised to be +ev so they could afford to whipe dad's ass when he's old"
decimation: "keep mailing us your taxes, your missing bank interest, and your real estate equity. Someone will totally mail you theirs when we are dead!"
asciilifeform: decimation: the whining, by and large, is coming from the ones who owe $maxint to the medical charlatans and are unhappy that it is coming out of 'their' bezzle rather than the treasury
decimation: this is why I find the baby boomer whining about old people medical care and old people direct payments
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, that was my point..
asciilifeform: people who were there for the tail end of american economy being something like functional
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:08:03; mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223513 << umm, yes, they are. they are the folks who own (when they do) real estate, which is nearly the only thing which came close to keeping up with true inflation; they are also the folks who own stocks; etc ☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: 'zoolag' is down and will remain down for several hours. this is a planned outage.
asciilifeform: decimation: he doesn't have to feed the birds
decimation: well, there's also the social status of being the old jew who owns reddit
asciilifeform: and, unlike the gurlz, these folks don't add to anyone's 'social level' by being seen with them (perhaps in rome ? but today?)
asciilifeform: no, elementary question. are there enough gay pr0nd0ll4rz to feed all the mr.unemployableprogrammerz riding their sandpaper dildos
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 < that. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you've reconstructed the discussion into a strawman and are getting the results you expected from it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223293 << the exact sort of thing that prompted my earlier "everyone is retarded" stuff. ☝︎
asciilifeform: in terms of 'make a living'
asciilifeform: so my naive guess would be that it is an even tougher sell
asciilifeform: now, not swinging that way, i cannot say for certain how saturated the gay pr0n market is, but will observe that they lack the sexual starvation of the straight
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:49:35; mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223453 << who, precisely, will pay to see ~this~? mircea_popescu ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why are atheltes poor if the stench of cunt bothers you, same argument.
mircea_popescu: decimation not the question. the question is why is anyone else on the "just about rich" lists outside of these women.
decimation: plenty of 'homemakers' are poor in the us
mircea_popescu: because you understand how things work.
asciilifeform: or are they all to move to egypt
asciilifeform: why would i pay for that
mircea_popescu: you being seen with them.
mircea_popescu: i said "Something to sell", i didn't say nudity. that's free.
mircea_popescu: that's not what this is.