asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'brain activation' folks are simply a somewhat more 'photogenic' version of the rest of usg academia, where virtually every physical science 'result', almost without exception, concerns some spurious correlation of this and that

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. does not work on tcp.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is just after president hollande suggests pulling out of ru sanctions thing

asciilifeform: only if mircea_popescu wants to test the turrets.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111278 << perhaps should be a separate article ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in a way, it is. but sort of left as an exercise.

asciilifeform: (i forget if this was mircea_popescu's terminology in the original article, or not)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do read mircea_popescu's article, it is very concise.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i did, later, grasp mircea_popescu's deniable-transmission algo

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc, a good bit of that stuff -was- preserved in writing - of a kind. e.g., 'broadside ballads'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu and kakobrekla have been voicing folks by hand.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing worked in 'tribal' structure, where most folks are reasonably 'close to the soil' and grow/kill the necessities of life personally. i suppose it also works in a concentration camp - though, iirc, these also typically have a kind of scrip and so aren't entirely free of currency.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Currency generally is in the hands of a selected few, this situation where every man woman and child holds some is an exception, and I suspect coming to an end.' << i recall being shown, as a boy, an 1890s ru coin that 'would feed a family for a month!111!!'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now, harmful methods involving - neutrons? yes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The notion that gold supply does not increase a lot is predicated on obsolete technology. Gold supply would increase quite a lot, and in really harmful ways involving cyanide, if it seriously became monetized.' << iirc, cyanidation was SOP since 1890s.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Let them have scrip, will be good enough for them...' << usd is not already scrip ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/lawmakers-facebook-rant-threatens-media-for-unauthorized-use-of-his-name << turns out we have these here.

asciilifeform: wai wat, mircea_popescu with an exchange ?!

asciilifeform reread last night's thread, and grasped mircea_popescu deniable-transmissions scheme.

asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: adlai: must note that it is originally entirely unrelated to mircea_popescu and artifexd's project

asciilifeform: adlai: described it at some length in #b-a at various points in the past month; also in a few comments on mircea_popescu's site.

asciilifeform pictured mircea_popescu breaking keyboards, etc

asciilifeform: then mircea_popescu is correct

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tidbit that escapes me is how you came upon the idea that default-signed would empower, rather than lower into pederasty, the 'anonymous derp'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not like the notion of nsa goon having a non-deniable tape of anything he catches. (i don't much, either...) asciilifeform does not like that it is generally customary to speak unsigned, and thereby nsa goon can put words into his mouth, and a certain number of people will believe them

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at present time, an 'unknown' can generate a pgp key and carry on 'continuity' with it over whatever channel. we can't exactly prevent it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by what mechanism do 'unknowns' transmogrify into 'knowns' in your cosmography ?

asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's current scheme, they still are signed, i'll point out. but ad-hoc, by the next hop node

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it merely my puny brain, but i still don't grasp the 'signed-default is bad because preet can steal a key.' if preet gets a hold of my key, he may as well have put a bullet through my hide, stuffed the corpse, and proceeded to live on as it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier link concerned my working hypothesis as to why.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and you like it ?

asciilifeform: who among those present, other than mircea_popescu, wishes to be impersonateable (deniable) by default ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i sign my 'hello' i will have no idea where it will enter the network.

asciilifeform gets a distinct impression that mircea_popescu is still thinking of the adversary as being bound by laws, courts, procedures of evidence-gathering.

asciilifeform: let's work out, using spec as given in mircea_popescu's article: what does an inquisitor know about a particular utterance

asciilifeform: say mircea_popescu wishes to deniably utter the words 'brezhnev sucks'. he then asks me to utter, 'my friend, who wishes to stay unmarked, wishes to inform the ladies and gentlemen of this network that brezhnev sucks'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider: a subclass of private message where you ask a friend to pass along, to the 'room', some words.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is another way to bake it in.

asciilifeform: the only possible solution to preet signing as asciilifeform, or mircea_popescu, or whoever, is to pull the pin when he comes uninvited.

asciilifeform: i will let this point prove itself, but was willing to argue for it to possibly save mircea_popescu and artifexd some unnecessary sweat

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and then we get medieval-style rediscoveries of 'the latter gospel of mircea'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!

asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's scheme, my wot-graph exists as a bitstring that my particular node will disgorge if asked?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: complicates your design a bit, as now you have two classes of message

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gossipd' << see 'gossip protocols', very interesting subfield in maths.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your site is down as seen from my perch

asciilifeform: artifexd, mircea_popescu, others - http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111242

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: s/relied/relayed ?

asciilifeform confesses that he has never purchased a credit on mircea_popescu's site...

asciilifeform: there's an interesting similarity in the reactions of the freenode folks (quoted in earlier thread) and that of the wp fool (quoted in recent article on mircea_popescu's site)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and works, about as well as russian-english (which is to say, very threadbare)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is marked 'persian' there.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't expect hard proof of anything whatsoever, sure.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: occasionally there are idiomatic residual clues

asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd that do ? << if your estimate in 'this was exceeds that [necessary budget]' is correct - it will do nothing.

asciilifeform: the only way enemy could win this hypothetical engagement is if he can set his fork up to 'catabolically break down' the original bitcoin network ( mircea_popescu's army on the board )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, artifexd, other interested folks: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111218

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i argue that all transmissions must be signed, if this is to be the thing it is really meant to be.

asciilifeform: active thread on mircea_popescu's site, btw

asciilifeform: rithm: did you actually read mircea_popescu's article ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu: which one(s) of you is even doing the merges, anyway ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu incoming pgp

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu achtung