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asciilifeform: trinque: afaik that's generally a 1shot thing, neh
mircea_popescu: indeed the zek paradise is very much that "loose shoes and warm place to shit in" historical african's paradise : if they could pick up a new woman every night and she'd be gone after cooking lunch every day ; if they had to drive to a new place to start work every monday ; if there was always a new beer in the cafeteria and a new show on tv with a new identical blondy lead... scl
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fundamental problem is that only the elite have any use for history ; the plebs generally want a "start over tomorrow" world.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principal problem is that he's not very good at arguing ; neither from a helping the preopinent nor from a produce useful record perspective. these are the two principal goals of conversation, i can scarcely imagine a third.
asciilifeform: upstack : iirc nelson wanted a perma-storage-net . in 1970 . to this day we dun have it, because -- apparently -- too expensive ? or how else to explain that folx still whine from having to store 1(decimal-)MB per 10min
asciilifeform: and yes naggum is buried in cement partly on account of the shattering of bridge that he himself had a hand in building
asciilifeform: me neither. archaeology is a science of the sad and destroyed.
mircea_popescu: minor lulz at the perishable nature of the hyper-tard-transfer-protocol ended up a major topic. i just snickered en passant!
mircea_popescu: i did a bunch of that too, discovered that out of 10k websites, ~0 remain
asciilifeform: earlier this (?) yr, possibly it was from prod from mircea_popescu , asciilifeform removed a buncha folx from blogroll pg ... for being dead
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 16:55 mircea_popescu: alright. that concludes this first phase, which you've survived. im guessing a decision will fall in about two weeks, i'll notify you by name here in either case. you can see it by looking for http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22robbinhood%22
mircea_popescu: "What can I say? I wasted 6 years of my life on SGML and related technologies only to find that when I wanted to translate my experience and knowledge and significant grasp of this technology into a book that would teach what I had found to others, I had to look real hard at all the braindamaged things that I had been willing to sweep under the carpet and found, to my horror, that SGML, once understood, could not possibly be
mircea_popescu: i know why this is, obviously, but the important point is that this is a miserable, second hand knowledge, of ENTIRELY the same substrance as shilbert's.
asciilifeform: http://xml.coverpages.org/rcdataCTS1.html << there's a naggum for mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: y'know , it so happens that asciilifeform was bored the other night, and ended up walking into the #1 pantsuit-themed b00kshop in the city , and saw a , whaddayaknow, a 'history of bitcoin' , and guess who mentioned in it 0 times...
mircea_popescu: (this, for the record, was a 60yo at the time stanford guy. "You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it." wrong putdown, seriously now.)
mircea_popescu: from naggum's own self-characterization, he was a not-particularily-wanted epicycle in the whole sgml thing. am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is epic. josling : " Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits..." ; naggum : "Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose? What is /wrong/ with you? http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/biblio.html" ; we dutifully go check and indeed, grep of that page returns 0 naggums.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but as to the matter at hand, they had a falling out over holocaust social game proper rules!!1
mircea_popescu: as if there's a set of recipes to choose from or what ?
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, there comes a time when the poor will be rendered for fat. it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: moreover this whole "oh germany was starving"... dude, it's the 40s. new york was fucking starving, gimme a break. who wasn't starving ?
mircea_popescu: "oh if some fucktard who thinks he's a jew because his mother's an idiot says he is holocaustoffended ima say i studied goebbels!!1". wtf already.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the history of interwar germany is interesting as a topic of study, rather than a topic of conversational macguffins.
mircea_popescu: hitler blabbering about how the army betrayed him and shoulda killed them all like stalin (really, it was earlier than stalin time, but you can't say "like trotsky" can you now) is exactly a fruit off of this.
mircea_popescu: usual anachronism, "this toe sock works great as a soup starter so that's what it was". not THEN it wasn't lel. then it was a complicated thing. such as for isntance, a desire of the new socialist strep to make "culture just as good" as the guys they were trying to replace, landeschnekt and ritters dominating the army.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man.
asciilifeform: from beneath a tall pile of chomsky & other modernolade.
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if 'no original' , given the comment re 'I found was that (1) a whole bunch of nutcases thought that only neo-Nazis could be interested in Joseph Goebbels' works and movies...'
mircea_popescu: you want to "study goebbels", you're going to review a lot of old celluloid reel, read journals, stuff like that. there's no substitute, wut.
mircea_popescu: and i find it superlatively dubious that "i have made a study" relies on having reviewed no original materials but read chomsky's as cliffnotes. this is no way to get anywhere, and i suspect a large portion of chomsky detractors are actually almost-intelligent folk who tried to use him in this manner, got hurt in the process, and decided to assign blame, if possible to the tool they misused. chomsky is fine, but not if you're
mircea_popescu: suss was exactly 1940. and the hell goebbels had to go through to get the cast (they were famous actors, and more interested in hollywood bux than anything) is a very fine entry point for one to understand just how weak and circumstantial the reich was, and just how much accident and fortune played into the good doctor's work
mircea_popescu: it's true that hitler was a bit of a literalist, and kept liking these barely-cinematic mechanicist pieces of nonsense ; but that doesn't make the opposition stand like he tries to make it stand.
mircea_popescu: that aside, there's a different serious problem : "Joseph Goebbels were _not_ concerned with propaganda towards the Jews. this is an historical fact." is what he says, but he says this in the exact manner of the man he otherplaces despises, "who forms a knowledge without having had the curiosity to study". the reason i even wrote http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ is ~specifically because~ there's a lot of similar ignoramuses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i can't miss that for someone who read and traveled and so on as you say, naggum has a lot of trouble destructuring nubbinisms.
mircea_popescu: a) germany won ww2, which is why us is trying to be alt-germany not alt-britain ; and why hitlers' goals (anihilation of british empire) were delivered upon ; b) the war was by very far the best thing that couldf ever have happened to russians, as individual people.
asciilifeform: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3147630043965732@naggum.no.html << moar echoes . possibly today no one will even be able to say , for a fact, wat.
asciilifeform: when you drive over a hole, it also doesn't usually speak and explain why it decided to be a hole
mircea_popescu: fine, take a different tack.
mircea_popescu: can you picture the hordes of tv watchers gathering me up and setting up a spectacle (like those inane 1980s lassie-in-court tv productions) whereby some pompous douche ("a judge!!11") asks me to... explain... what happened ?
mircea_popescu: for convenience, let's say it's a big deal. no need to specify what.
asciilifeform: seems to have a twatter , http://www.xahlee.org/subscribe.html
mircea_popescu: "since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags." << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 not even terrible ; anyone know how ti invite the dood ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: gatt started out presiding over a usg laboratory where spacecraft ran lisps, worked properly, etc.
mircea_popescu: he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java ☟︎
asciilifeform: gatt (renamed himself, today garrett ) wrote a large pile of 'lisp is dead, woe is me, once there were things but never again' 'emo' screeds on comp.lang.lisp
asciilifeform: ( there are salvageable organs in the scheme corpse. but there is not imho a usable per-se schemetron. )
mircea_popescu: there's this observation that "the dumb woman's ideal is to live in K-selected society so there's no infibulation or tit pounding ; but that then she personally defects to pursue r-selection". this may or may not be true as applied, but it exists as a trope, the forever wank of the insufficient, be it a dumb woman, a dysfunctional adolescent (the neil simon type, that then "goes to city and becomes his TRUE SELF writing for n
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 20:10 mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766487 << one of the recurring motifs in the naggum threads is the scheme thing. scheme got stuck in its development (politically, rather than technically, it got orphaned and lacked a mircea_popescu at a critical time in its gestation ) and ended up in the hands of 'perfect circles' people ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and when this actually happens, it is as part of a great catastrophe , not something to be cheered )
asciilifeform: ( the supurious concretization of 'future' i suspect is a root philosophical ill of 20th c, like the humanization of computer )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766479 << past is where the items to be learned from live, even if the world were just a week old; so in that sense how could thinking ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (jap = jewish american princess, this mythical beast that wants to marry you and once she does you will never have to make a decision ever again)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766477 << it's considerably moartragic in light of naggum's biography. he went to usa as a young man because he heard there were individualists there , and joined an aynrand cult , and burned out, came back ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you'll have to excuse me while i make snese of what's actually left under this lid. so far -- not even a proper word for it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not a very high bar
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a story.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that machine is to be an enhancement not a substitute.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766473 << i can't speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never edited a file 'by hand' , a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766214 should prolly be in here in original, ie : "In most other language communities, having your ideas rejected is no big deal, because you can come up with another one at little extra cost, but if you spent a year designing something super-clever that you really like and which you have used for a long time seeing it trashed viciously (because you refuse to back down and get increasingly h ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766253 << same reason to do anything at all if we can't hope to overturn bitcoin. what, i'm going to invent periodic numeration systems now so various moderntards can feel euclid ? the idiocy pioneered by pantsuit "computer science" is an absces not a species. it shan't spread to other parts of human culture nor will it manage to hold on to computing, innovation-for-tyhe-sake-of-inca-distrib ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:27 asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Irrespective of you, entirely and in all respects, what will happen is that you will meet a grifter and have a child, and that child will be disaster. Pain, sadness, hunger, death and human suffering of proportions strictly commensurate to your "drive", to your "ambition", to the clarity of your "vision" and the purity of your intentions. And we won't care. Nobody will care. You will be remembered as that shill that delivered the pe
mircea_popescu: have the fucking decency to die for another man, not for an imaginary tootpick. a life shouldbe worth at least that much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're curious, by the way, the origin of the "corporatization" so to speak is that ancient trick from, if i memory serves, dickens (but could be any other pulp copywriter) : that the visible boss prefers to pretend a silent partner is there disallowing the whatever, so he can have both cake and eat it too (ie, comiserate with worker but not indulge worker idiocy).
asciilifeform watched ^ just nao on a box with 0 audio... interesting
mircea_popescu: the moment the "oh, it's a GOAL", oh, "it's above mere people", oh, it's a "Corporation", you got the rot.
mircea_popescu: yes, when they decided it is "a goal". there's an exceptional line in mimi, metalurgico ferito nel'onore, where some idiots go "ma figli ce li abbiamo tutti, e c'e chi si fa cazzi di tutti e chi si fa i cazzi suoi!"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:43 mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
asciilifeform: ( is there a technical root of the cancers after all ? or is it simply the 'monkeys inherit the temple, and it doesn't matter how temple was built' phenomenon ? both ? )
mircea_popescu: there's a REASON the warcry of the r-selected "new programmer" was "there's no penalty for trying".
asciilifeform: i dun have a mechanized pill against this.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766236 << pdf had a very similar "xml-like" containerized notation in the early days adobe was trying to push it on the world. this is what the problems with these samovars is : whether named adobe or olivetti, they're still samovars, and deducing one is harmless because it never got to grow up is at best naive. they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance ; so never give them an ☝︎
asciilifeform: and it is a professional hazard asciilifeform is quite aware of on own skin.
mircea_popescu: now that's a simple if incoherent idea!
asciilifeform: the greeks had a peculiar fixation with 'perfect circle'
mircea_popescu: epicycles are the idea that "i justwant to", which is neither single nor coherent. it is however a simple and comfortable idea.
mircea_popescu: epicycles are not a single coherent idea.
esthlos: and write a bouncer, without 1e6+ features
esthlos: can't find a non-shit irc client
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 16:44 esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
mircea_popescu: i guess the above was #1 ; but in more general form : how would a PSTP ("plaintext" sexpr transport protocol) actually look ? ie, use sexpr to deliver the above required property.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall a handshake of this sort. but many years.
mircea_popescu: and if memory serves his sdif was NOT "structure first, and stream recomposed a la carte"
asciilifeform: how 'picture' ended up a gnarly hack on top of 'streams of text', rather than an uninteresting and harmless 'yet another possible sexpr' is separate item.
asciilifeform: where's the necessary inca element in compressing a highly redundant turd before moving it ?
asciilifeform had to disable it manually on a box recently, it fucked up an experiment
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:23 asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766234 << no dude, he a) doesn't have any fucking idea what he wanted, which is shocking enough, but b) what he SAYS he wanted is nonsense beyond the pale. "images could have traveled in the same stream!!!" says the man whose signature says "hey, i have nigerian scam options in excess of a trillion that i'm not exercising, you can stop sending me more". really ? wtf is wrong with him ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and of the raw instructions being quite readable, per se, as a program . unlike the turingsoup one puts into a transfer-machine or the like )