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mircea_popescu: i crossed out art and wrote in "you stink" and "get a job", but something tells me they won'
t take this to heart and execute it exactly
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Seems up, we don'
t really get ddos'd as much
pete_dushenski: cazalla: just splendid. we're in the sweet spot where he's sleeping well, eating well, can'
t crawl, and isn'
t teething :)
pete_dushenski: you persevered where many didn'
t, which is really the only way to live.
punkman: ben_vulpes: iirc x61 doesn'
t libreboot
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << BingoBoingo if that was you, and it was, you linked to an article of mine that said nothing re: miners... << Known, but gotta get people reading because lord knows /. story approvers don'
t pete_dushenski: this doesn'
t improve bitbet's position, nor its aims for transparency, but normally transacting users who previously received 'tainted' coins do have recourse.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 08:53:24; ben_vulpes: and i don'
t want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel"
sturles: I haven'
t looked closely at the code. My node behaves like any other node would. Except it keeps a part of the mempool protected from fee based eviction based on priority.
sturles: Yes, and I don'
t think this is much more complex than requiring each utxo to be in a different block than the one it is spent from.
sturles: It isn'
t that complex. The uxto set is updated as the block is parsed. The inputs of the sibling will be in the utxo set when it gets to it. It only makes some optimizations somewhat harder.
sturles: Yes. It isn'
t verey complicated. Really. As long as A is found before B in the blockchain, the order is AB. Even if A and B are in the same block.
mircea_popescu: apparently his wot key is defective, can'
t decrypt assbot pad
mircea_popescu: sturles that's kind-of a problem then, you can'
t voice here.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t recall when this "3 day" thing got introduced, but longer than coupla years ago i think.
mircea_popescu: yeah but for practical reasons doesn'
t also vary too much, or you get drowned.
sturles: OK. I don'
t know anything about the tx in question. How old were the inputs?
sturles: It doesn'
t matter if A2 has higher or lower priority than A1. As long as A1 is in my mempool, a tx spending any of A1's inputs will be rejected.
sturles: I don'
t have a time limit.
sturles: I don'
t keep them all. Only the ones with the highest priority.-
mircea_popescu: no but on second pass this is actually correct, isn'
t it. ~I~ have been breaking the protocol with that design, indiscutably.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 08:53:24; ben_vulpes: and i don'
t want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel"
mircea_popescu: like it or not, the tendons won'
t give unless you get physical. you can talk yourself hoarse, it dun do anything.
shinohai: "Bitcoin was designed and is intended to work with anonymous addresses" <<< but thought addresses weren'
t completely anonymous anyway.
ben_vulpes: and i don'
t want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel"
☟︎☟︎ phf: you've got the socialist cheat sheet by way of having played this game before. others -- don'
t assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 17:21:53; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've been thinking about it, but i don'
t think this is actually resolvable. as it happens - the "magically working network - we don'
t know how it works" thing is much more appealing to the average joe than you know, "this is my node. i will defend it with my life". what life, are you kidding, got sitcoms to watch and shit.
shinohai: Now it works ok as a wallet if you use the generated keys, but that isn'
t practical on a live node.
shinohai: No I was using the pywallet method I have used before. Today it just decided it didn'
t like it.
shinohai: It isn'
t very useful as a wallet unfortunately.
shinohai: I didn'
t even get to the rescan part, just db error :/
shinohai: I'm up to 2 nodes, but one is remote so isn'
t feasible to sync that way at this time I guess. Hopefully project budget allows for an extra dedi box this year sometimes.
mircea_popescu: wasn'
t there some guy with a lucrative eth contract that lost his key ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's thing doesn'
t care about what's in deedbot-, does it?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been working on that thing for two days in 30 second installments in between nutty bitcoin shit that shouldn'
t happen anyway.
mircea_popescu: trinque doesn'
t like that there's multiples ? or what did i do wrong ?
trinque: bot didn'
t eat it for some reason
PeterL: wasn'
t the bitcoin foundation going to produce a protocol spec at some point, or is that on the list after the reference implementation is more developed?
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 19:14:47; mircea_popescu: that's tghe problem here. something wasn'
t good for an entire week that suddenly became good. this selective-bitcoin is in no sense bitcoin,
mircea_popescu: because you can'
t measure all things at the same time, basically.
mircea_popescu: PeterL that's an anachronistic argument. merely because they included it once B, you infer that they would have included it wherher B or non-B. this both fails tgo explain all the points prior to B that didn'
t include it (standard lifetime of mempool tx is about half the interval contemplated here) and the fact that you're drawing in the conclusion in the presumptions.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t want a fucking big-brother-bitcoin-from-china-san to pray to.
mircea_popescu: that's tghe problem here. something wasn'
t good for an entire week that suddenly became good. this selective-bitcoin is in no sense bitcoin,
☟︎ punkman: I don'
t think this experiment is worth, say ~6 months of profits, but that's strictly the BB's board discretion.
danielpbarron: not that these are voting shares anyway, if you don'
t like it, sell.
PeterL: I'm just a minor shareholder, my opinion doesn'
t count for much
danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420349 << perhaps my holdings aren'
t significant enough to have any weight on the issue, but nontheless I as a BitBet shareholder agree with the decision to draw attention to whatever issue at the expense of a few months of dividends. At the very least it can be seen as a marketing expense, BitBet being the catalyst to war against something truly rotten in bitcoin, something th
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 18:40:06; punkman: I don'
t think "working" protocol means being able to assume signed and broadcasted tx has been forgotten and won'
t come back to bite you in the ass. What's in who's mempool is unknowable.
punkman: I don'
t think "working" protocol means being able to assume signed and broadcasted tx has been forgotten and won'
t come back to bite you in the ass. What's in who's mempool is unknowable.
☟︎ jurov: the pray tell mr. datskovskiy, why aren'
t s.nsa funds used to poke this house of cards?
jurov: so far i don'
t remember it happen
mircea_popescu: the problem with broken things is exactly that - they "work" for you until they don'
t. at which point...
mircea_popescu: and you're a poopynose!! ha-HA!!! calling names is how you solve problems you don'
t wish to consider! YAY KINDERGARTEN
mircea_popescu: i am not in the slightest proposing this. i am saying however that the toilet may be part of the solution, but can'
t be THE solution.
PeterL: so the lesson here is "don'
t send 0 fee txen if you are not patient enough to wait a few weeks"
mircea_popescu: so... no. you can'
t solve the problem of fiat through technological means, be they bitcoin or anything else. the same people that abandoned the fiat to "mysterious entity" will just as readily abandon bitcoin, and their own asshole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've been thinking about it, but i don'
t think this is actually resolvable. as it happens - the "magically working network - we don'
t know how it works" thing is much more appealing to the average joe than you know, "this is my node. i will defend it with my life". what life, are you kidding, got sitcoms to watch and shit.
☟︎ PeterL: I don'
t see a problem, you signed two transactions and they both were mined, where is the problem?
mircea_popescu: whether i am surprised or not is not included in this discussion. i don'
t recall saying i was surprised, nor does over-the-lan telepathy historically work. moreover, my own state is deeply irrelevant : the problem is there, and it's grinning at you.
mircea_popescu: you think i'd rather have 18 btc than know all this ? i wouldn'
t.
mircea_popescu: one of the many protocol items that turned to be promises was - i shouldn'
t NEED any defense.
mircea_popescu: which aren'
t, at the present time, trb-tethered. it's a goal, but into the future.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> one thing that goes through my mind is that trb/mps << this is true, but let me clarify that An set of txn were broadcast through a set of > 1k distinct peers. most of which i don'
t regard as peers in any sense, but nevertheless they did get to hear about them from my own nodes.
mircea_popescu: these "most nodes" don'
t even fucking figure in the node count.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you know, gut feeling. can go either way. which is why i said, doesn'
t have to accept anything.
mircea_popescu: more generally, you can'
t bring arguments as to what the standard is on the basis of "look what this implementation does". the illustrative case of this being the four men in a dark room with an elephant.
kakobrekla: or " this isn'
t how this sort of discussion works, by giving counterexample."
mircea_popescu: punkman you mean which implementations would accept a tx with a fee ? seeing how they wouldn'
t see the other one ? or what ?
punkman: which implementations do you think would accept the subsequent higher-fee transactions (putting aside the fact that you couldn'
t see the first 0fee tx in anyone's mempool)?
mircea_popescu: by and large, very broadly speaking, and insasmuch as a "bitcoin protocol" even exists at all - it says that 0 fee txn aren'
t relayed or included. now, how this is implemented in practice... w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looky, this isn'
t how this sort of discussion works, by giving counterexample.