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mircea_popescu: and i didn't even charge them for the copyright.
mircea_popescu: the unfuckable jersey wearing 30something set, too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu and the 4 other mircea_popescus are watching the good shit, while from my perch it looks like the entire western culture went poof
asciilifeform: for all i know, this happened already long ago
mircea_popescu: onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231861 << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played. ☝︎
onlooker: mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record
asciilifeform: except that it was done by the darlings of the lizards
mircea_popescu: if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could've sworn this was in the logz
mircea_popescu: turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.
asciilifeform: pray tell, how
onlooker: who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that
asciilifeform: onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982.
assbot: Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IANg6N )
onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'textbooks' in this case being - once you reject the outright drivel and pediwikia printouts - dour and very terse, encyclopaedic overview of the basic maths, typically
mircea_popescu: what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars
asciilifeform: yet virtually anyone who has ever done it, had to saw open six different existing incarnations and study
asciilifeform: and rsa is ~much~ simpler than, e.g., bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: to everyone's benefit, this, of course. but anyway.
asciilifeform: if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again.
asciilifeform: onlooker: consider, for instance, the predicament of somebody trying to correctly implement plain old rsa algo.
mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely.
mircea_popescu: onlooker how are the poor getting correct data iyo ?
asciilifeform: onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction
mircea_popescu: mebbe not to knuth. but anyway
asciilifeform: one is people and the other is cockroaches
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: between the chore of shoveling '98 spam and the chore of answering mail from other maths folks ?
onlooker: askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ?
mircea_popescu: onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.
asciilifeform: just to the chore of interacting with people
asciilifeform: '89 iirc but not related to spam
onlooker: mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas
mod6: trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly. thx again.
asciilifeform: it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola
asciilifeform: the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity'
mircea_popescu: well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: which of the i dunno, three or so
asciilifeform perhaps lacks the lsd to follow this thread
onlooker: at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some
mircea_popescu: onlooker copyright does not refer to inventions.
mircea_popescu: in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.
onlooker: mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 23:16:19; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231494 << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie. ☝︎
mod6: trinque: thanks!
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say
mircea_popescu: eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497 << that one ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl
mircea_popescu: jesus wtf happened to this log.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... not as simple as all that.
mircea_popescu: the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people.
mircea_popescu: onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".
onlooker: mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them?
mircea_popescu: but it's not just a "hey, something to try out"
asciilifeform: (this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive)
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231442 << it might be that you don't know what an experiment actually is. ☝︎
asciilifeform: just to get a feel of what it is like
n6: mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for?
n6: asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ?
asciilifeform: n6: trying to get hand-fed through this gnarly and unpleasant process will be frustrating both to you and to others
asciilifeform: n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while.
asciilifeform: n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it always was half that.
onlooker: *as something the elitests use..."
n6: trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?
asciilifeform: 'cause my first thought was byron
onlooker: I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens)
asciilifeform: (yes, the bits are ~mine~, they are on my disk)
mircea_popescu: i thought we were aiming to avoid makework.
asciilifeform: he can do honest work, like this, instead of trying to monkey with my bits.
mircea_popescu: so you're gonna pick careers for tarantino now ?
mircea_popescu: he'll probably go to syria and smuggle arms.
asciilifeform: he can beg on the streets if he wants.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'
trinque: n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really
mircea_popescu: i ain't saying that.
mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ? ☟︎
n6: trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supposedly it wasn't on the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: 'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere
mircea_popescu: there's a trilema article about that, actually.
onlooker: mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol...
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
asciilifeform: which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number
n6: hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.
mircea_popescu: then i don't need to have an oppinion on it.
mircea_popescu: don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.