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mircea_popescu: i like teh approach phf
asciilifeform: btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery
asciilifeform: yes, yes they can.
asciilifeform: 'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood'
asciilifeform: half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.
phf: btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..
gernika: phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c
scoopbot_revived: Racists and the racist idea http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/
phf: ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code
mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits ☟︎☟︎
phf: did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change
ben_vulpes: phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'
phf: and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use
phf: homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!
phf: xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics
phf: now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions
gernika: phf - been following along - that's what I get
phf: ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548
phf: williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as #<FOO #x123123> or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as #<FOO (value . 1) (value2 . "hello")> i
phf: williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs ☝︎☟︎
phf: i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function
phf: williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes
williamdunne: phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams
ben_vulpes: ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase
mircea_popescu: hitler's readily the last legitimate case.
mircea_popescu: the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.
asciilifeform: sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow
mircea_popescu: (this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)
asciilifeform: esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology)
mircea_popescu: "unavoidable failure" or "the hole the night" ?
ben_vulpes: "minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization.
ben_vulpes: when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill
asciilifeform: or the japanese version of this, full-bore
asciilifeform: get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~
asciilifeform: this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern
mircea_popescu: nothing deserves a name at that time it gets a name.
ben_vulpes: big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.
ben_vulpes: the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima
asciilifeform: just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your observation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229166 ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name ☝︎
ben_vulpes: that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.
asciilifeform: phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha
phf: only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it
ben_vulpes: x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables
mircea_popescu: i said this.
asciilifeform: let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.
asciilifeform: 'to criticize is to volunteer'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.
mircea_popescu: btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.
ben_vulpes: trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?
trinque: that too lol
ben_vulpes: ah well it'd help to edit the right script
ben_vulpes: lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e
trinque: so after that, infectious gentoo
trinque: in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root
ben_vulpes: adding the --host flag now.
trinque: ben_vulpes: is that db saying that?
ben_vulpes: yes, that is what you told trinque as well.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.
mircea_popescu: it's gotten that bad ?
ben_vulpes: fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account
phf: i think by last polls we were "pervs"
mircea_popescu: it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account.
phf: i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.
ben_vulpes compiles openssl for the third time today
mircea_popescu: this mpex over 60 thing is beheheautiful.
asciilifeform: (xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc)
asciilifeform: xach - no one seems to know anything about.
assbot: Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01ST0 )
phf: xach.com/rpw3/articles/TJadnRSn8I_o8qHZ4p2dnA%40speakeasy.net.html and http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PqOdndt5Kr6E9BnUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those)
phf: williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations. http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PJudnYz2hfC-HQbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://
assbot: In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01OCP )
ben_vulpes: stepping carefully through next steps.
ben_vulpes: no idea if that's right or not
williamdunne: Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu
ben_vulpes: always happy to indoctrinate another
williamdunne: Not used to using it, so another thing to learn
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: hate to ask, but...
mats: I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle
ben_vulpes: i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again
trinque: something around there
trinque: williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream
trinque: I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it
trinque: williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect
williamdunne: trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string?
williamdunne: Yeah, that's what I've been learning from :)
williamdunne: I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..
trinque: as for the rest, depends on the library
williamdunne: Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning
williamdunne: Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented
trinque: anyhow, cool that you're diving into that
trinque: only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST
williamdunne: Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones
trinque: emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that
trinque: you shouldn't even notice them