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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "what dat" is a pregnant americanism, as for the second sentence, you need a rewrite to parse?
mircea_popescu: and in the same old news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/eebca2fe316a4dc7862f3103bcf0a52b/tumblr_nm36utql4G1tkuag2o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: "What, as we say, dat? Could Uber be competing to own the vertical and horizontal in a space and failing to bite off an element of the business model that profitability is predicated on the ownership of?" << ben_vulpes can you say that again, but in a language, this time ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, danielpbarron somehow has a recent comments plugin that includes diana_coman 's blog ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 23:30 mircea_popescu: armed enough to be murdered for it ; not armed enough to keep angry mob at bay.
mircea_popescu: and in other non-body-shaming fat-tolerant porn, http://67.media.tumblr.com/1122614d76711992a4c8c8d5d44f81ba/tumblr_nf6yb42fb51tmnngto1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lafond never heard how caesar died or what. << Historicaly common, but was uncommon among the fauna local to him historicaly.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "the logic of steel" wtf is he about ? << Early book of his.
BingoBoingo: http://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade-county/armed-trio-arrested-in-miami-beach-walks-out-of-jail?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WPLG_Local_10_%2F_Local10.com
a111: Logged on 2016-09-16 19:47 pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
phf: ben_vulpes: actually right now i'm heathen-ing it, by using quicklisp too. problem is btcbase depends on 35 different projects (like hunchentoot pulls 8 deps, cl-irc 2, etc.) so cmucl version i had all 35 hand patched to various degrees. the right way seems to be giving all those project the v treatment: pull them in, strip them of fluff, genesis, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 21:40 mircea_popescu: iirc in the early days of c-as-replacement-for-straight-asm it's exactly how compiler became a thing. "dude... fuck hardware."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It happens
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 19:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << fwiw there's no psychotic ouverture of bipolar. 1st case mostly sounds as usgistan "let's call it something"/
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:43 mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:02 framedr_ghetto: phf: thanks for making a111 quote mkj log lines
mircea_popescu: introducing the record holder in premature ejaculation : http://66.media.tumblr.com/32bd411ad3a4103855bf42bfdae04df6/tumblr_nly8xk8XxV1u96awpo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nailed.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 22:29 mircea_popescu: anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 21:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1053 << you know, making a nic is not the end of the world.
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framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: glasgow. eh, i'll be outta here this month next year, i think. weather and, you know, the whole wanna-be-empire-failed-island thing..
mircea_popescu: framedr_ghetto it's a very cheap signal of "you're drunk", which should be used to reset its state
framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: it rejoins if it loses connection to freenode; it tries to re-self-voice if it detects it does not have voice anymore. it does not rejoin chan if it gets kicked. will be fixed.
framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: you in rome for real, or some elaborate etymological joke?
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a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:31 adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:25 adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~built~ to be maximally static.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: poor model. dynamic system, like jet fighter, not static, like bridge.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:43 covertress: mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:45 adlai: i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:24 mircea_popescu: get in touch when you're here, i'll send someone to pick you up or such covertress .
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:40 covertress: mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so - lulzy if you 'get lucky'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:18 ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, we had this thread prior to the 'block ciphers don't even exist' thread.
asciilifeform: http://www.osdever.net/documents/WritingDriversForTheDP8390.pdf?the_id=56 << back in the day, they even had asm snippets in the ds.
asciilifeform: oh and witness the sheer number of busy-waits, e.g., https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c#L4885
asciilifeform: and a good chunk of it is https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c#L11871
asciilifeform: https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c << 13,255 lines alone
asciilifeform: let's do what mircea_popescu asked and work a concrete example.
asciilifeform: cue mircea_popescu: 'it works great on my t40! 640x480 is enough for anyone'
asciilifeform: http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/42301_15h_Mod_00h-0Fh_BKDG.pdf << and before anyone asks, it is neither available in any other format, nor accurately convertible -- is sufficient illustration of my point. flip through it and weep.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good chunk of what i've done here since showing up is to try and fill in the gaps in the 'pioneer with arrows in his back' part of my www.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is documented, and you won't like it at all, e.g., here -- http://developer.amd.com/resources/developer-guides-manuals
phf: mircea_popescu: i missed the point
phf: mircea_popescu: well, from that perspective "no threads!!" is kind of irrelevant, because it's just less things to try and get operational on raw hardware. pretty sure nyef had to pull threads from sbcl when trying to get it running on raw hardware..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it dun work because, again, pc arch is retarded. the processors fight over the bus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, i thought of this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: understand, addition there is no longer 'ADD rax, rbx' but a pound of type bit checks and possible code paths on failure or type-promotion etc.
asciilifeform: and if you use ANY 'c code in the drivers' you get gabriel_laddel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the two are really not comparable.
phf: mircea_popescu: people basically come to same conclusion, and then when it comes to putting in "2 years of living from inside an os without youtube" balk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to understand that linux is barely a thing at runtime. whereas a lisp os has to make up for 10,001 idiocies of the hardware, e.g., lack of garbage collector, lack of type bits in every (yes) machine word that get tested on every (yes) arithmetic operation, etc.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it, the sane approach involves 0 c and 0 unix, and i came to this conclusion in '07.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're dead ends.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 ben_vulpes: some people go crazy, some people have crazy high tolerances, some people even eat a shitload over a long time and then one day break, the variance is wild and statistical claims cannot be made beyond "oh fuck might hose your brain under entirely unknowable circumstances but hey have fun with the tradeoff analysis kid"
phf: mircea_popescu: the real reason it's not been done is because it's fucking hard and nobody cared enough to spend the necessary man years
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the hardware is very literally shit. e.g., ever heard of acpi ?
mircea_popescu: and in other hardware-software interactions, http://67.media.tumblr.com/5e92d02a732524921361231d041a7b34/tumblr_nptt458VbX1u1u4hvo1_400.gif
phf: mircea_popescu: problem is that when you do a execution like ./foo on unix, ~unix~ expects "foo" to contain certain bits and do certain kind of work to appease unix upfront. that work is specific not to "x86" but to "linux v 1.1.2, compiled on full moon, by three blind monks"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is gonna be the fpga thread all over again, isnnit. fact is, the 10,001 man-years are not available, and certainly not six times every morning before breakfast.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the difficult part is 'which skank.' it isn't 1988 and there is no standard pc arch.
phf: mircea_popescu: that's not what the layer between os and lisp does in the case of sbcl/cmucl. it explicitly doesn't do primitives, because those are, like you said, written in lisp, that's compiled into native bytecode (using VOB's, i.e. chunks for assembly)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the easy part
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this context, folks often say 'vm' when they are really describing emulator of a sane cpu arch.
asciilifeform: aaaaaand this is how mircea_popescu arrives on the island where i sat in 2010.
phf: mircea_popescu: what would be the correct approach?
phf: mircea_popescu: so in order to bridge the gap between the two you need knowledge of both patterns. cmucl has knowledge of its own, it doesn't also want to have knowledge of all the shit that goes into gcc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a thread, but it would appear that original author of subj went into the jungle and never came out, so i dug out copy, https://web.archive.org/web/20111227150315/http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html << scheme r4rs interp. written in asm by hand.
phf: mircea_popescu: cmucl's assembly has a different pattern in order to support all the tricky-in-c-trivial-in-lisp code behaviors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the equivalence, in practice, is a null - different structures take vastly disproportionate effort and moving parts to implement, depending on machine design.
phf: mircea_popescu: an assembly that result out of compilation is the problem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting 10,001 pyramid slaves to hand-compile the compiler into asm with ~guaranteed same semantics~ as the original, isn't even a financial problem, it is problem with 'planet hasn't this number of people who can meaningfully participate'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'gnat is built with gnat' thread ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-05#1007663 ☝︎
phf: mircea_popescu: there's machine code in cmucl, the problem is bootstrapping.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: americanism for 'uv-b lamp'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 07:59 gabriel_laddel: Actual LSD will glow purple under a blacklight, unlike all other compounds people attempt to use in its place.
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phf: to continue on this evening's drug theme, we have gabriel_laddel, take it away, gabriel
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adlai: ahaha i like ben_vulpes's definition for the use of words
phf: ben_vulpes: it's s, but i suppose adding "search" is not a bad idea
adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
adlai: ben_vulpes jiggled the handle but i suspect $up in PM may still work
adlai: some people refuse private communication (eg mircea_popescu ) but that doesn't mean that shouting on his lawn is for his ears only.
covertress: gn mircea_popescu
phf: ben_vulpes: ty
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