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asciilifeform: aha. i think every kid in usa knows of the $1000 bill, for instance.
mircea_popescu: technically money, in its circulatory form (ie, currency - to distinguish from the money as unit of account, for instance) was coins and bank-notes. coins are now disused, for entirely practical reasons ; and bank-notes come in those two flavours. moving from one to the other isn't THAT big a leap.
asciilifeform: (and this happens to be one of the reasons why many folks barf at bitcoin...)
asciilifeform: sorta like if a pauper finds a ring of keys - he doesn't get to own the house and car.
asciilifeform: it makes the subject click in my head.
mircea_popescu: "pretty miss dutchess found by peasants - they didn't get to keep her"
mircea_popescu: which is quite contradictory with all the soaps the peasant women watch, which all reduce to
mircea_popescu: perhaps by this notion same peasant who finds young dutchess and "always had her in family" should ALSO keep her
mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: idk, i thought 'godspeed to fakers of vermeers' and 'good bilderberg is a dead bilderberg' was pretty clear..?
mircea_popescu: debate that teh peoples involved have little juice left in the ballsac.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any
mircea_popescu: you did not phrase it in those terms.
asciilifeform doesn't object to elites per se (sorta like objecting to gravity) or to hereditary wealth (also rather like objecting to gravity) but arguing for the degeneracy of a particular set of people
mircea_popescu: sure, and exact same could be argued (and has been argued, by people arguing from your same chari) about trhe evil capitalists which "do not even see the common people they vampirize"
asciilifeform: afaik they don't see us at all.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu's intel tells him that the power rangers see us as locust plague, i'll believe him; but from my chair i cannot see this.
mircea_popescu: so you say "they came as locusts" ? so did we. ask the power rangers.
mircea_popescu: the class at issue is the class which includes that "they" and that other "they" and also "us".
mircea_popescu: you don't get to pick the class.
mircea_popescu: special pleading is a category of pleading, which is a category of speech, which happens in the forum, where the speaker proposes that one member of a category be different from the others on no grounds.
asciilifeform: so 'social media' is a a handcrafted monster of very real elites, rather than a plague of locusts that came out of nowhere
asciilifeform: let's try example? the american universities who pioneered socialist claptrap. did they get cut off from endowments by american industrialists for doing so? 1900s
asciilifeform: i still don't see how they could have come to exist in any other way
asciilifeform: nah, the socialmedia folks are enforcers of the actual vampires.
mircea_popescu: so. b-a is the irc channel where vampires of mankind gather, to discuss how to lower into pederasty the teenaged daughters of hard working social media wokers.
mircea_popescu: can you say something more substantial of this than plain if third hand echos of 1970s soviet postcards ?
asciilifeform: and they do indeed peddle false inclusivity at every turn.
asciilifeform: (who said they couldn't have a wot?)
asciilifeform: naturally their wot is at work
mircea_popescu: what is this, kauai ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this expectation that some sort of nativism trumps wot is not unlike that swanson's fellow's expectation to tell me "how debates are done".
asciilifeform: not quite best analogy - theoretically a plebe may drill for oil (if the local rulers permit it)
mircea_popescu: but one is not required to sell, be your own oil baron.
asciilifeform: and i'll have it be known that if i ever come across one, i will burn it. on high-def camera.
mircea_popescu: it used to be a regular occurence in the usa that some cowboy owned some land, got it taken off his hands, buyer became oil baron
asciilifeform: now this is true!
mircea_popescu: nobody forces him to go through the "taken off" step.
asciilifeform: it is a regular occurrence in usa that some schmuck find $canvas at an estate sale, then cleans it, it gets taken off his hands for a few hundy, and then a blueblood naturally converts it to 40m by getting it WoTed.
mircea_popescu: in fact that's what the word even means.
mircea_popescu: now, this was true of money, or more specifically, of currency
mircea_popescu: i don't know that ever in the history of civilisation was fine art a bearer document.
asciilifeform: rather than the reality, where it is really a trapping of power, like king's scepter
mircea_popescu: no such thing was told.
asciilifeform: one where the lie is publicly told that 'if you have a picasso, it is yours, and you're worth 40m'
asciilifeform: in both cases there is a kind of sham going on
mircea_popescu: but in principle a parliament is not required to allow carrier notes in its realm.
asciilifeform: and the vermeer was intended as a wall decoration ?
mircea_popescu: the part where they seem to also have forgotten to tell anyone is also atrrocious
mircea_popescu: but they re-defined them, apparently, to be a sort of cheques.
mircea_popescu: well, it is an atrocity, because bills were itnended to be carrier notes.
asciilifeform: 'in the family' 'stow it'
asciilifeform: if the story of why i have them isn't plausible enough
asciilifeform: so from the wot pov, it is not an atrocity that if usg enforcers find me with a metric tonne of benjie bills in bags, they will take'em ?
mircea_popescu: in the upper 100s at the very least.
asciilifeform: and he turned up with an undiscovered picasso and it sold for 40m ?
mircea_popescu: i have with mine two eyes seen this, and so...
mircea_popescu: one of my dearest teachers in college, at the time a respected doctor, retired
mircea_popescu: but your argument is flawed, which i know personally, and ill tell you why
phf: "You? Impossible! A mason?" "A mason," I replied. "A sign," he said, "a sign." "It is this," I answered, producing from beneath the folds of my roquelaire a trowel. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'how to fly? 1) be a bird'
mircea_popescu: yes, well, what's your algo to become cussack ?
asciilifeform: i'm not sure how an algo that requires me to get reborn as another person can be described as 'trivial'.
mircea_popescu: won't take 10 years, at how condensed timeframes are now. used to be 35-50.
mircea_popescu: a) go to classical/art college ; b) go to auction house intern position ; c) write for whoever will publish about art and do a good job.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's fucking trivial to get in said wot.
asciilifeform: hanbot: are you in their wot ?
assbot: Part 2: Looking at the art world over Adrian Ghenie’s shoulder and why I hate it or love it. Not sure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLEk84 )
hanbot: which condenses to "who among you has/d the intelligence to get in the wot", neh?
mircea_popescu: the test still is "who among you has a wot account"!
asciilifeform: hanbot: what i meant was, tested for 'blue blood' and not anything else. certainly not intelligence, or culture.
mircea_popescu knows random romanian kid that sold for ~1.5mn last year
assbot: Bitcoin and the poor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WLE6hf )
hanbot: <asciilifeform> it is the man who is tested. << http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/#comment-90231
mircea_popescu: they keep pumping more kids in as they need to keep the denominations low enough.
mircea_popescu: you'll notice however that the debasement is very well controlled in the same manner fed controlls the dollar.
asciilifeform: my other, separate statement was 'godspeed to anyone successfully faking and debasing their inflationhedgemachines'
mircea_popescu: yes, people will consider you're abject, after this claim. but the claim was disposed not on the grounds of who you are, but on the grounds of what proof was had.
mircea_popescu: against the nonsensical vacuum of anyone ever having seen this ?
mircea_popescu: if you claim that "hilary clinton is my wife" on the grounds of "she was always in my family" should your claim stand ?
asciilifeform: with their idiot rituals
asciilifeform: the pretence of the scumbag 'authenticity' judges
mircea_popescu: so then what do you protest ?!
asciilifeform: i don't think we actually disagree here.
mircea_popescu: the WOT is tested.
mircea_popescu: it is wrong to say "the man is tested
mircea_popescu: ownership is not an objective thing.,
asciilifeform: and it usually doesn't take long.
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there's a way for him to own plutonium.
asciilifeform: it is the man who is tested.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso ☟︎
asciilifeform: but that the claim that the picasso is the object being tested is a crock of shit
mircea_popescu: so then what are you saying ?
asciilifeform: not saying that somehow there ~ought~ to be a way for the peasant to cash his picasso in
mircea_popescu: here's the litmus : "what part of this alleged family HAPPENED IN THE FORUM ?"
asciilifeform: but really are testing blueness of blood.
asciilifeform: the picasso authentication folks purport to be authenticating the canvas,
mircea_popescu: so is this.
asciilifeform: except that the two situations are dissimilar
mircea_popescu: what is that claim to you ?