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mircea_popescu: just moves the goalpost.
mircea_popescu: it's not even a solution to the same problem
asciilifeform: i suppose this may technically be a degenerate case of the other solution.
asciilifeform: gotta be in their wot.
asciilifeform: in the sense that i can't go and just connect to, e.g., 'swift', because i'd like to.
asciilifeform: ... where the thing doesn't function as a public toilet at all.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - i don't even have any objections, which is more of a journalistic achievement than a pulizer in each hand.
asciilifeform had a thought, that 'fee market' as discussed here is not the only stable solution to a living bitcoin. there is the other one, too
mircea_popescu: certainly a lot better than the last time i read an article on zero hedge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a review of the "best possible construction"./
mircea_popescu: "This is probably the first large scale opportunity to see whether unrestricted market forces actually do optimize a supply curve" << major point incidentally.
asciilifeform: reads quite like a culinary review of death's cap mushroom soup that neglects to mention the magic ingredient.
asciilifeform: notably no mention of the various hearnias like the blacklist
mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-23/what-bitcoin-xt-primer-everyone in that same vein
mod6: no worries, thx!
asciilifeform: prolly tomorrow.
asciilifeform: other folks are invited to diff these with previously-published 'orchestra' to see what is meant here.
asciilifeform: mod6: these appear to be correct (to naked eye), even rebased as i described. neato!
asciilifeform: ^ this is unfortunately sop in usa
mircea_popescu: i dun think we're there yet.
mircea_popescu: "everyone else i'm giving tictacs, but since you ask privately, here is the REAL quantum mechanics"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd imagine there is room for requests for a dec vax port or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: because what, he's gonna give them the REAL math in private ?
mircea_popescu: in general, the sure mark of a stupid yet pretentious student is, their desire to talk to the prof "privately".
mircea_popescu: so then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because you'd tell something else than what's in the log ?
mod6: asciilifeform: here's the individual patches, archived for your review: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-vpatches.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-vpatches.tar.gz
asciilifeform looks through the window and does not see any private bankers coming to ask re: therealbitcoin... perhaps they all go to mircea_popescu's house. or ben_vulpes...
mircea_popescu: (just like if major attorney firm loses major trial - it's not because the paralegals sucked)
mircea_popescu: if they fail, it's not because their research sucks.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, my entire intel thing is fundamentally a fork off ib intel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know these as 'pocket banks' aha
mircea_popescu: (the "retail bank" where you go talk to a person you don't know that doesnty know you is really no different from mcdonalds "cuisine". irl, banks work a lot more like tailors)
asciilifeform wonders if any such folks are equipped to distinguish therealbitcoin from linoleum
mircea_popescu: makes the social media froth even less comprehensible.
asciilifeform: who the fuck is that
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, seems as best as i can determine the consensus in actual us finance.
mircea_popescu: Despite the fervor in the Bitcoin community, the odds are against Bitcoin XT. "This is not the first attempt to create a better Bitcoin, but I believe Bitcoin has such critical mass of resources devoted to it that it is unlikely anybody would abandon it for an incremental improvement,"says Gil Luria, an analyst at Wedbush Securities. "None has gotten much traction."
asciilifeform recalls scene in oddity film 'snowpiercer' where the heroes learn that the only food that still exists is pressed-cockroach-bar
mircea_popescu: the us' been learning to milk ever more roachy roaches for decades now.
asciilifeform: hey, if ants learned to 'milk' aphids, why not... roaches
mircea_popescu: of course it sinks at the juncture where the cows are actually cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: but the 100 dollar expenditure on "students" / redditards is absolute genius. get the fucktards to believe "nothing else exists", have cows for the rest of your life.
asciilifeform: some of the appeal, i think, was in the notion of not having to physically house / feed / clean the thing
mircea_popescu: seriously, i can buy a cpu that outpuits cpu cycles at 500 a second over five years for 500 bucks
mircea_popescu: also they charge about 10x fmv.
asciilifeform bought into the fantasy of 'elastic cpu/ram, precisely as much or little as you want' as we were promised in the '70s. it is, of course, a crock of shit, because the necessary hardware does not actually exist
asciilifeform blew an astonishing bag of usd when ran 'phuctor' on aws - and this in its mostly-useless and almost-trafficless first year and half of life ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but it's basically "some adults are giving free chickenfeed so let's take that and overturn the world!"
asciilifeform: so this is a strictly finite ballsack
mircea_popescu: iirc someone explained it on reddit - they get 100 dollars worth free if they prove they're students or some crud.
asciilifeform: presently i can't entirely understand why the swarm of sybils has materialized exactly there - aws isn't particularly cheap, if you actually use the cpu/disk
asciilifeform: presently i know of no reason to care
mircea_popescu: if it bothers you can always drop aws connections at the firewall level
asciilifeform: how typical.
asciilifeform: (the five or so i tried)
asciilifeform tested handful, and they appear to be
asciilifeform: shouldn't those folks be hanging out with their own kind ?
asciilifeform: of the 67,
asciilifeform: 33 of the 97 are.....
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 01:16:09; ben_vulpes: solve my system of equations goddamnit don't try to intuit what i mean
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249349 << ben_vulpes is back to mechanical world ?! ☝︎
asciilifeform is familiar with the basic pattern
mircea_popescu: so they got butthurt, and are prosecuting a local that was involved in their rape, they think.
mircea_popescu: from something that used to be a world power and a major empire.
mircea_popescu: this resultd in their selling an item for less than it was worth. because they had no idea what it was worth. becxause it's not theirs - they merely inherited it.
mircea_popescu: the slovaks are incompetent fuckwits. this, because there's so few of them it's cheaper to pretend like they're a country than to seek someone else's administration.
asciilifeform: the slovak ministry of whateverthefuck was playing the role of the 'garage sale picasso buyer and reseller for $100'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my thought was actually that it was illustrative of the idea you explained - that random beggar can't own a 'promissory n0te'
asciilifeform: mod6: works. but anyone can review these, because we already know what they must look like
mircea_popescu: and the nonsense says that both the theoretical position you seek to defend is rubbish, and that the la times article you seek to defend it with is both rubbish and wouldn't defend it even if it weren't, and the it were defensible.
mod6: asciilifeform: i can put up the individual .vpatch files for you to review tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im thinking about it.
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 00:42:58; mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform and whoever else is privately thinking of reimplementing pgp : one thing i'd dearly love would be the ability to encrypt not to X, but to "l1".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: please consider taking the thing in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249328 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249335 and specifying a little more in detail. because i am utterly failing to grasp what was being sought here. ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 00:32:28; mircea_popescu: punkman yes of course. just as soon as there's observable value everywhere a horde of shitheads with spoons are moving towards it.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 21:23:49; mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249303 << this got lost in the chaos; quite lulzy! approximatly, a country-sized version of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248932 ☝︎☝︎
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249395 << wat the everloving fuck ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 04:49:18; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque & all: For your review. http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1.vpatch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2.vpatch
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249381 << this is a potentially catastrophic misuse of the thing. if you glom the patches together, i can't sigverify'em, can't (easily) match them against earlier publications of same, and most of all - can't read it worth a damn ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is nothing to use but classical gpg
mircea_popescu: ah, not for what he's trying to do
mircea_popescu: which one do you call that ?
asciilifeform: (and anyone who thinks i ought to be considering a thing that uses openssl, or a winblowz turd, or something for mac, -- go eat a caltrop.)
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 21:42:47; mircea_popescu: point was agreed to before i think. which is how the discussion re what pgp implementation must be like got started.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249705 << i find it interesting that there is ~exactly one~ actual, working implementation of pgp ☝︎
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249741 << the small arms in the photo are in their factory boxes... borrowed for this cheapo psyop ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: mats: i was wondering how long it would take you to notice!
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mircea_popescu: ;;ud tifu
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funkenstein_: Hi Vexual. I saw a massive black bear today chillin' on side of the road
mats: asciilifeform: https://github.com/aperezdc/signify << am reading this
funkenstein_ trying to catch up: genesis vpatches tested match (apart a few deletions) 0.4.3 release
mircea_popescu: there must be active extermination, not just, "get them fat and shut in".
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