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mircea_popescu: once you buy 1bn, it's suddenly a 50 trillion system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: easily into the multiple millimonets, for a typical case
mircea_popescu: this is the point easily missed. "oh, bitcoin is a 5 bn dollar system". no it's fucking not lol.
asciilifeform: 'usg employees don't even get fiat' << this is true in a strictly technical sense. but in fact senior nomenklatura ('ses' and up, but also grey-usg folk like uni professors) bring in very decent dough via 'contracting' and pseudo-industrial gigs.
asciilifeform: even pig is sometimes permitted to eat truffle
mircea_popescu: the same's true throughout.
mircea_popescu: you think the fucktards writing "gawker" and all its clones are getting paid ? thjey aren't. they do it because i won't take them to work for qntra, and they imagine that if they persevere they can somehow prevail without needing to actually do the hard work.
mircea_popescu: people in the camp work for a) promises of future and b) mortgage-and-meal tickets.
mircea_popescu: " whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them" <<< ahahahaha. fucking DOH. not even usg is this fucking stupid. albeit this is not deliberately, just, the low level idiots have no access to any btc and the high level doods know better. but for that matter : usg employees don't even get fiat.
mircea_popescu: but by the time one talks forks to that level, some sort of much different bitcoin would be on the table anyway. with ring signatures and various other items.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's plenty applicable, if one talks forks.
mircea_popescu: predictably, pool ops do not like the idea at all.
mircea_popescu: it was discussed in bitcoin too.
asciilifeform: (naturally, not applicable to extant bitcoin.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery. ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxQo )
assbot: CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtxA8 )
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg3009444#msg3009444 << addresses used by jdillon to donate 10btc to coinjoin fund https://blockchain.info/tx/1332f6d0ba9b7101edab1f183d36a09d6036561cf36de1326a68523107b3e7b2
assbot: petertodd comments on Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UbtuUK )
asciilifeform was contemplating the apparent fact that: whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them. hence there is likely massive enthusiasm for anything that smacks of destroying or at least defiling bitcoin, on grounds of sheer envy
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs. growing up happens to the best of 'em.
mircea_popescu: there's an immense pile of people who "don't agree with mp" as if that's some sort of vanity prop.
asciilifeform does not know anything else about herr gogulski, other than the incident where he publicly burned his u.s. passport and formally renounced citizenship
mircea_popescu: that's what not agreeing with me usually means. that you got some horse droppings in a portion of your brain.
mircea_popescu: the only shit that's bad is still in your head, yo.
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kakobrekla: deposited to sr wallet
kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH this one is under usms
kakobrekla: https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV this address i thin kwas under dprs control
punkman: kakobrekla: no that's when petertodd sent the money to Dillon
mircea_popescu looks for the "as mp said a few months ago", doesn't find it, doesn't give a shit.
kakobrekla: is that when sr was still up?
punkman: oh wrong link, 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH was supposed to be gmaxwell's address
punkman: so petertodd loaned John Dillon 5.1 btc, which he then sent to gmaxwell, to https://blockchain.info/address/1BDSZMaUvrbTjWsSgLA4XqYUK4dDzxREEV which is tagged "DPR seized coins"?
assbot: Leaked Btc Foundation Digest (2013) - complete with confessed NSA stoolies, planned lies to public, etc. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1hEnOqH )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3icef3/leaked_btc_foundation_digest_2013_complete_with << they luvv it
jurov: ;;later tell felipelalli btc-dev l2 keys are updated once per day, if your emails still aren't accepted, i'll check it it on weekend (currently abroad, no access)
asciilifeform: ... and it appear that i'm ~still~ the only one keeping public therealbitcoin nodez ?? are folks waiting for the version string thing (imho pretty useless...) or what ?
mircea_popescu: progress is what happens when everything gradually goes to shit
asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole as is down, being worked on, dulap should be back later.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, ima translate it in a second then
mircea_popescu: prolly went to sergent blackforce the 9th power or w/e
kakobrekla: so the 5 btc went to buy silk road stuff ?
kakobrekla: ah ok then
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:20:26; kakobrekla: i dont see why the idiots dont take the leap and think that limited block size may actually give some small value to their beloved alts
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251766 << i recall this tidbit of shisdom peppered throughout the "conversation" ☝︎
asciilifeform: much entomological sample, so scarce the ddt.
asciilifeform: (spoiler: it's the paste from last night.)
asciilifeform: apparently no one gave a shit then, either.
assbot: A leak in the bitcoin reddit, shows private messages between bitcoin developers included litecoin head developer : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWm0Wn )
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it up, then you can watch it then i can say something pithy about it
asciilifeform: dun think so
mircea_popescu: you ever seen the robotzi re parachutes ?
mircea_popescu: but, this discussion's yet out of its time.
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if the size of that empire will allow the young and clueless mining derps be squashed by decade-old us foreign policy technology that their older, more politically central counterparts have long ago figured how to sink
asciilifeform: lucky job that i have one. (and i'd be disappointed if only i)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that. ☟︎
asciilifeform: could, theoretically, do this port even now, if one were to 'de-thread' the thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, our friends' apparently well intended conundrum is i think illustrative for the woe betid the modern man, asked to come up with "votes" on matters so far removed from his understanding.
asciilifeform: i worked it out. the only interrupt handlers one even needs, are a) timer b) nic frame ring buffer (tx, rx) full/empty.
mircea_popescu: no argument. was just pounding the more theoretical side of things.
asciilifeform: but it is perfectly feasible to run something like bitcoin as an embedded proggy.
mircea_popescu: so it can run "this timeslicing is no longer supporterd please run upgrade"
mircea_popescu: kernel gets a timeslicer for itself anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'single task' in the sense of there not being a timeslicer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, none of this is even worth thinking about until items like multiprocessorized sig validation are a thing
mircea_popescu: i do not think there ever existed a "single task programmable computer" yet, in spite of convincing early ibm emulation. you either get signal processing or multi tasking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the nic knows how to dma, recall.
mircea_popescu: and who watches the ethercard ?
mircea_popescu: just the fact that "these pages don't get swapped" would prolly 3x the whole thing or some shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best kernel improvement is to single-task the thing
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 13:16:07; asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: on top of this, but not last, is the fact that context switches happen and your cached pages are regularly evicted to admit crud
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251759 << incidentally, on a multicore system one could probably do some pretty spiffy kernel improvements to squeeze more juice for a purely node system. ☝︎
lobbes: ;;later tell trinque is deedbot- handling phuctor now too? No worries either way; I just want to make sure our gears are turning in-sync
mircea_popescu: course trilema is also a little sluggish
asciilifeform: the former - yours, the latter - mine
asciilifeform: none, it's the dropoff
mircea_popescu: i mean... what's the connection between core11.hetzner.de and verizon-gni.net
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1YEMCVW << pretty early, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log. traceroutes all fall into neverneverland
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dunno, seems to be blackholed somehow. the server itself is fine. the looking into continues.
lobbes: thestringpuller: lol. Well there's somethin' about the 'pure' nicotine that doesn't do it for me with e-cigs. Though BB's point about MAOI persisting in 'traditional' tobacco smoke perhaps makes more sense
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thestringpuller: and the delivery to the lungs is much more efficient.
thestringpuller: i've always thought e-cigs can wane you off more easily than other things because you can cram so much nicotine in the juice
thestringpuller: lol lobbes you crave the bad stuff of cigarettes lol?
phf: asciilifeform: i think there's a range. there's an ecigar (not sure how it's called) place next door, which is favored by asians and blacks. actually pipes are large and made out of machined parts, but produce massive amounts of smoke. they source nicotine oil separately, and my impression is that you can get anything from dodgy chinese stuff with flavors like "coca cola bubble gum" to u.s. local hand extracted tobacco oil
BingoBoingo: A little soap can't be that bad for the lungs
punkman: BingoBoingo: what do you think about inhaling glycerine/propylene-glycol?
BingoBoingo: I dunno if there is a cheaper way to get nicotine, even for pesticide than extracting from tobacco
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have to imagine extracted. Even pesticide grade nicotine is typically extracted and then isolated to my knowledge. This package says extracted from tobacco, but RJ Reynolds is not in my WoT to the extent I can take that on face value.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how is the 'juice' made ? i.e. clean mix of pesticidal-grade nicotine and flavourings, or is it actually squeezed from tobacco ?
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phf: main issue is that ecigs can never look this cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZklVrHspM
BingoBoingo: But maybe it is in this mix, only testing can confirm
BingoBoingo: lobbes: My theory is they need to include more than the nicotine. There's actually a pretty potent MAOI in tobacco that persists in the smoke
lobbes: I think I crave that as much as the nicotine heh
lobbes: to make them a true replacement though, I think they'd need to simulate the ammonia and arsenic et al.