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danielpbarron: i guess you don'
t own your fiats either; the fed does or something
solrodar: but I know some people say this doesn'
t apply to bitcoin
danielpbarron: you who doesn'
t believe the Bible are going to say what someone who beileves in the Bible should do?
danielpbarron: if it's charitable to return then it isn'
t immoral to keep
danielpbarron: you still haven'
t explained what's moral about returning the money
nubbins`: my belief in the matter doesn'
t change the logic tho, hey?
nubbins`: solrodar i don'
t think any such moral obligation exists.
solrodar: both bettors have a moral obligation to return the money, it's just that one of them is identifiable and the other one isn'
t nubbins`: "GPG signed contracts are no good if they can'
t be enforced." actually they've fulfilled their purpose precisely as intended here
BingoBoingo: Aha, I knew it would happen, but I didn'
t know it would happen this early. The reciever is now burdened with CHOICE.
☟︎ davout: I'm going to check that everything that was paid against currently unpaid/unresolved/open bets matches the cash mp sent me, and if so there won'
t really be a point in checking that
mrottenkolber: So I learned today that git does'
t use sha1 as I thought, but its own git-hash-object
mircea_popescu: so you don'
t leak your ip by visiting links ; so you archive their contents if you want to.
phf: there's commit.gpgsign, but i don'
t see anything for --verify-signatures
nubbins`: so i built a "hackintosh" computer, just realized i hadn'
t bothered to put the video card into the thing
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 20:56:07; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes happens to me all the time! then alf runs off and invents it and i'm like fuuuu wasn'
t this on trilema!
mircea_popescu: no, v is great even if painful - because it's painful to the right people, which are the people who aren'
t me.
mircea_popescu: then again, the people who aren'
t me that actually care/understand computers tend to .
mircea_popescu: not like it couldn'
t in principle be gutted/rewritten in part.
phf: mercurial has a handy patch management mechanism, that unfortunatly doesn'
t understand nor produces vpatches. i basically verify vpatches manually, and then put them into hg's patch folder. then i do a topo sort, which gives me a mercurial compatible "series" file. i let mercurial press it using that series file. whole process is more complicated then should be with a proper mercurial support, but i hnfi how people rebase, refresh,
mircea_popescu: mrottenkolber> Obviously, I wouldn'
t bet on it. << trivial, add comment.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 06:30:10; mircea_popescu: abstraction is loss. you throw out all sorts of stuff and hope&pray that it wasn'
t actually needed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes happens to me all the time! then alf runs off and invents it and i'm like fuuuu wasn'
t this on trilema!
☟︎ davout: if nobody remembers how to find a particular thread, maybe that thread isn'
t really worth remembering after all
mircea_popescu: mrottenkolber don'
t kid yourself, they're living in a dictator sheep.
mrottenkolber: I have absolutely no interest in bitcoin to be honest, don'
t see the point.
mrottenkolber: But e.g. in my head, if you spend 70k to compute a sha1 collision, it won'
t look like C code probably ;-)
mrottenkolber: I am only mentioning the sha1 option because I don'
t understand crypto well enough to be able to rationalize the effort of producing a file, with the same sha1sum, with an exploit while the patch still applies.
phf: mrottenkolber: if that's your only goal, you don'
t need v for that. git already does it for you by having a linearly hashed commit chain. right now you have a reasonable way of verifying the git chain from the top hash, but you can'
t make any crypto claims about it, since the hashes are sha1
mrottenkolber: My point is the toposort isn'
t really part of the problem v solves. The function is to cryptographically verfiy a sequence of patches (based on a wot), who cares where that sequence comes from, as long as each patch (commit) has a signature.
mircea_popescu: and we don'
t even have the fucking conceptual girder to even comprehend what the rationale'd be on (in terms of, what are the primitives)
mircea_popescu: and we won'
t even fucking know the standard is anything but elaborate cumcake until the rationale part stands up.
mircea_popescu: go, tell three year old that the sky isn'
t a thing, pristina rosa, all that.
mircea_popescu: it wasn'
t a cartoon. it was a "book of practical activities for making puppets and designing scenes". superadvanced art stuff for ro genius kids
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ? << i don'
t think he is and i have a vague recollection of this from the very early 2000s that i also can'
t place
mircea_popescu: she can integrate now, and it didn'
t even take that many whippings.
phf: "i don'
t speak for hanbot for hanbot has a tongue."
hanbot: eh, don'
t worry about it asciilifeform
hanbot:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << that sounds like the most sane solution on tap for efficiency & accuracy both. and honestly...crawling back through the last coupla weeks' logs to study this i couldn'
t really be paid. much as i'd like to lend some time to folks actually doing good work, this place is reeking rotten already.
☝︎ phf: <mircea_popescu> [20:02:06] i am currently of the " ' technology won'
t be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought. << i failed to parse, you saying "technology won'
t solve" has been overused, and there's need to lean in opposite direction?
mircea_popescu: i am currently of the " ' technology won'
t be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought.
mircea_popescu: the wot is eminently private and so deeply irreducible to public that it doesn'
t even matter it is publicly visible
mircea_popescu: mod6 << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. << there is no possible division between "punishment" no matter how defined and trust in any reasonable sense. either what you say matters, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards "too hard for peoeple, who just want to..." or what you say doesn'
t matter, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards welfare state. it is what in math
ben_vulpes: what, people don'
t maintain their own list of books as suggested by the individuals in chan?
phf: like if forced i could spend rest of life with a dos machine, can'
t say the same for os x 10.10, but that of course assumes that i somehow don'
t ever have to work, and in fact live in a "concent" for the rest of life
phf: i don'
t mean Emacs, but dos emacs is enough for the "i have text, i need to shape text into new text" tasks
phf: main reason gpg is turd, because was written for dos and frozen into spec that way. provided functionally is composite and doesn'
t "do one thing well". instead of freeform key annotation has explicit "name, email, comment" fields, instead of easy way to spawn many keys, has a convoluted key hierarchy, etc.
trinque: I was horrified to discover yesterday that gpg does not exit nonzero when a sig doesn'
t verify
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:01; mod6: I like the idea though. We just don'
t have the tools yet.
mod6: I like the idea though. We just don'
t have the tools yet.
☟︎ mod6: phf: well, other than saying "interesting" and "cool", i couldn'
t figure out how to do that either. unless we create a vtron signature style in 'g' or is it 'p'? i cant recall.. cause how will someones vtron be able to pull the bit string out to know how to categorize someones seal?
mod6: pete_dushenski: i didn'
t see anything crazy in there. runnign with -connect or -addnode?
mod6: asciilifeform: hm. im misremembering something. eitherway, outside of well, anywhere really, i can'
t think of a single place in the known universe where the nsa can'
t diddle your shit.
mod6: without quality random numbers, we can'
t have certifiable cryptographic identities.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:48:46; mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn'
t your fault.
mod6: but until we all have shit that doesn'
t suck... we're kinda just waiting until it doens'
t suck. in the context of blame and "i don'
t have to /hope/ this thing works, I know mod6 said it does, ergo, it works."
mod6: we can'
t have real true responsibiltiy of code ownership.
mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn'
t your fault.
☟︎ mod6: mircea_popescu: well, indeed. i mean, i can "swear and affirm" that my code won'
t fail you, but really, I can'
t be certain one way or another. too many variables.
mod6: it doesn'
t mean that it's still not probablistic.
mod6: but "i swear this werks!!", then someone runs your shit and it ~should~ work, but doesn'
t because of unforseen hardware, or configuration or cosmic rays.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of << and who's to say, even if you wrote everything at one layer, that something doesn'
t fuck you in the butt from a layer below? we don'
t have computers. never did.
nubbins`: went to fight a parking ticket today, the crown had no evidence and the cop who wrote the ticket didn'
t show up
mod6: jurov: your mempool work was important. reading the vpatches and the ml and the SoBA is important too -- and iirc doesn'
t take that long to get through most of them at this point
mod6: further, all other vpatches are signed by me and me and you. there are some you haven'
t signed either.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn'
t "ours", no x's history isn'
t "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
trinque: I don'
t think all the reasons for "why do I hate" can be represented usefully as a machine-grokkable header
jurov: i don'
t have acct there, not interested so much as to solve their impossible captchas
mircea_popescu: i can'
t distinguish if you are genuinely missing something, or not. which is why i ask you.