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ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the above is kinda why i laugh at all
the non-sexpr languages.
mircea_popescu: tbh
the standard is : if you want
to make a "new language" and you don't have written code
that
transforms WITHOUT ERROR all other programs in all other languages
to yours, you do not have a lnaguage.
mircea_popescu: exactly
this is at issue. what "competing language spaces" for crying out loud. explain
to me
the "competition"
to be had between waveform and heisenberg notation already.
ascii_field: just like
there is not, rightfully, more
than one correct way
to subtract 1 from an integer of a known size.
ascii_field: 'if
there appears
to be more
than one way
to solve programmatic problem, your priors are crap'
mircea_popescu: like, ask engineer "what's
the result of dividing apple by orange ?" "zero" sort of
thing
ascii_field: i wrote more or less
this, long ago, in a different formulation :
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i
think
that's an undefined result of an out of domain operation you're choosing
to interpret a certain way.
mircea_popescu: so i'll condense
this yet vague and uncoallesced and
thus impractical notion in my head by saying :
that a body of standards is where engineering starts with physical objects ; and
the proof engineering failed with ideal objects.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if anything,
there is ~less~ slack
than with any physical screw
mircea_popescu: it still doesn't follow
that you should
treat
them like a nut and a bolt.
ascii_field: they are 'like screws' in
the sense
that
two programs can only communicate if some provision for
this was foreseen
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> it is when it ~began~ << yes, and engineering in "making real objects" sense is exactly
that. but from
this it does not follow
that
the same everywhere!
mircea_popescu: yes, it's
true
that irl if i misplace
the screw and
then sit on it it'll puncture my ass.
ascii_field: (note
that i would not write
this piece
today, in
the same way; not sure if
type 5 exists in real life at all)
mircea_popescu: there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects.
this attempt
to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at
the novel an dunexpected problem,
☟︎ ascii_field: or, more recently, quaternions lost
to matrices
mircea_popescu: the
things
they have
to pick in nature ARE AN IMPOSITION OF NATURE.
the reason you need
to pick screw sizes is because "your screw" shares its physical attributes with a different item of
the same shape in
the same place.
ascii_field: incidentally
there ~was~ a
time when mathematical notations duked it out (newton's, if you recall, lost)
mircea_popescu: "we are
the best practices body for functional analysis"
ascii_field: maths folks have
the luxury of inescapable
truths
mircea_popescu: but as far as software, and computer programming generally, standards are actually
the proof positive engineering failed.
mircea_popescu: the notion
that good engineering = standards, by
the way, is a specific bit of fucktardation not unlike "good flying machines have moving parts".
ascii_field: it is retarded. but sane folks, when haunted by
the danger of 'wanna standardize
things, have good engineering! here comes microshit, with standardz!' chose
the retardation.
mircea_popescu: it should be "mom, look what i don't need
to do. chief among which, i don't need
to go "mom, look what ican do.""
ascii_field was informed, by a phriend, regarding ~why~ orc world often willingly routes blatantly spoofed packetz. it is uncommon, outside of usa and eu, for network peers
to specify whether
they are
transit peering or just peering. and
thereby cannot readily distinguish spoofed vs not.
mircea_popescu: i
think a lot of computing continued unchecked on a paradigm of "mom, look what ~I~ can do!!11"
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable conclusion here, from an outside eye, is
that
too much complexity is
the problem.
throughout.
ascii_field: that would be a pretty lulzy way
to screw with bitcoin folks, wouldnnit
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: concerning
the RSTs: know
that it is not difficult for
these
to be sent via spoofed packet
jurov: isee.. still putting it slowly
together
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:51:18; mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and
too fucking complex.
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as you made some irc comments, no. i did look
to see if your balance had magically vanished, which it had not.
mircea_popescu: is reddit anything more
than usg employees
talking
to spammers ?
mircea_popescu: "Imagine you get pulled over for speeding once and
they smell
the meth or weed
then search your shit, your fucked."
mircea_popescu: i have a running mmorpg
that's simpler. gimme a fucking break. bitcoin is not part of
the os-mmorpg-bitcoin
trinity.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and
too fucking complex.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not quite, but
the "what does
this knob do" investigations are starting
to run into human memory failures.
mircea_popescu: dude what do you want from me ;/ i had nfi what
to do with
things.
mircea_popescu curses
the poor, informal quality of his own previous approach
to
the problem V solves
ascii_field: incidentally, sending a spurious rst is
time-honoured mega-classic
tool for isp diddling of 'undesirable' pipe
ascii_field: the error msg most closely corresponds
to
the line in
therealbitcoin linked last night. but i do not know what mircea_popescu has
there, and won't know unless he shares
the snippet. so it gets left here.
mircea_popescu: atm
the explanations are, bad
tcp/ip implementation on
the machine running it in a very subtle way, or some issue in
the firewalls downstream
ascii_field: what
the fuck is sender-side flood control for ?!!
ascii_field: this drew my attention
to
the asinine
tcp socket handling in
therealbitcoin
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
thanks. alrighty, leave
this for now until i can have something more sensible
to say from
this end.
ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) -
though it is not correlated
temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
☟︎ ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i will have you know
that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a
trace of your magic
tx.
mircea_popescu: in other news, from #eulora : <VariaVarietatis> What is
the best way
to buy and hold a little bit of btc so I can buy copper from jurov ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now
that monero is off
the
table, may have
time for
that. Just
trying
to shave a few unecessary bytes here and
there out of
the Qntra
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo when you're done with
that i got a bit of malbolge needs reversing.
ascii_field: but bombed every day, and
the frag never hits diametric's box, only mine.
ascii_field: each and every
time since
the first one at end of may
ascii_field: so it would have had
to be via backdoor installed when disk was removed, during power off
ascii_field: and afaik only we have
the legit login
to
the box
mircea_popescu is
too lazy
to log etc, but... did he also helpfully edit
the history ?
ascii_field: oh and is
the man in wot ? 'cause i got a very special gift for him, if he is..
ascii_field: what,
thought he would confess, 'gnomes ordered me
to pull
the cord' ?
ascii_field: ftr i didn't expect him
to say anything but precisely
this
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i do not know why
the man lied.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for what it's worth, dc swears up and down and has under grilling for
the past coupla days
that, in its own english, "By
the way, our admin monitors said
that no unplanned reboots were not."
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but more generally, you don't get
to play
tax games in usa if you are small change.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if
title is in company's name,
the income -
theoretically - is only
the market value of leasing
the property
ben_vulpes: regarding
that ancient optimization of expenditures
thread, in america
the ceo will have
to report his place of residence if purchased/rented by
the company as income, correct asciilifeform, mircea_popescu?
ascii_field: shinohai:
this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute.
shinohai: I love my
tech, don't get me wrong. But a few nights in
the desert or mountains does wonders for clearing away
the clutter amongst
the little grey bits.
ascii_field: camping is a sport,
there is neither
the permanence of
the situation nor
the hordes of crazed sheeple and
their more-cannibalistic upper crust
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:13:30; ascii_field: well, in usa, if
toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load,
they want nothing
to do with it, likewise.
funkenstein_: re: waco, it's hard
to get more helpless
than kids
trapped in buried school bus
ascii_field: well, in usa, if
toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load,
they want nothing
to do with it, likewise.
☟︎ ascii_field: emma goldman supposedly said 'if i can't dance, i want nothing
to do with your revolution'
ascii_field: the other detail is probably demographic - iraq median age, according
to usg, is ~20; usa - ~40 !
ascii_field: the basic reason why no one is voluntarily
turning usa into iraq, regardless of usg abuses, is something like
the english saying 'people in glass houses do not
throw stones'
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:21:13; asciilifeform:
that's a 'lift station.' normally sewer is operated by gravity. but often, for reasons of cost, a pipe will be laid uphill.
ascii_field: in usa,
there are
things you wouldn't believe.
the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground.
ascii_field: for instance, incidents of folks falling into soft earth around leaking steam pipes, and boiling
to death (along with any would-be rescuers) were a regular
thing