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mircea_popescu: i don't mean it was a historical event ; just as a counterfactual.
mircea_popescu: the thought was that this runs for a coupla hours after hours on uni computer
mod6: so im fairly confident to get it resolved here with a simple email. will report back one way or another.
mod6: if for some reason DC won't throw in a SSD, even if extra fee is paid, will find a new DC.
mod6: so im sure that ssd will give me a huge perf boost to stay up to HEAD
mod6: for instance, i have a R610 running with ssd, and when doing eatblock (sucking in all the blocks cut up via cutblk), I can process like 15k-20k blocks per day. more importantly, the IO timings are WAAAAAY lower.
asciilifeform: btw i'll mention again a simple method to speed up sync (to a point) 1,000x or moar -- signed hashes ( a la the programmable checkpoint thread from 2yrs ago ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( dulap had ~ok trb performance on spinning rust, but it had striped raid . and STILL couldn't keep up with ssd zoolag, despite the latter being a box the size of my fist, with no raid, on residential fiber )
mod6: My node got with 140 blocks, then promptly fell back behind about 400-500. but this is caused by my dedicated node running on spinning rust it appears. when i get a moment, I'm gonna call the DC and see if they'll throw in an ssd in there for me. that should cure it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ( iirc mod6 also has a node with it, runs smoothly, talk with him. possibly ben_vulpes also ) << this in ref to >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 19:12 ben_vulpes: suresure. what even means "a release" though, in a world where each patch now touches the changelog file. that eg ben_vulpes produces a patch that *only* touches the changelog, saying "the foundation makes of this link in the chain a checkpoint"?
trinque: because human brains balk at a 500k scroll, so they chop the thing into bits
mircea_popescu: wait a second.
trinque: a C++ program is not reducible to particular files sliced out of it. it's the whole, and the filesystem state is a lie.
mircea_popescu: both 1 and 2 seem a rather "we'll fix the car by retrofitting horse carriage to it"
mircea_popescu: 1. the idea to have "changelog only" patches as a signature device is a major departure from how v worked previously, it semanticizes an item that we only recently even introduced ; 2. the idea to have patches that are deliberately non-compliant so "they won't be mainline" is a solution to what i thought an inexistend problem -- why not maintain special "experumental" keys for the purpose instead, l;ike sane people ?
ben_vulpes: makes for a neat delineation between patches baked in an angry stew and those selfsame patches read in the cold light of morning and possibly even reground by others as "this works, and i propose it for inclusion in the trunk"
trinque: experimental patches meanwhile wouldn't, and the operator is invited to regrind the experimental item into a patch which edits changelog, if it's graduating out of "experimental"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the idea here is to turn this into a semantic device ?
asciilifeform: imho 'trb release' makes sense as a thing -- conservative 'this worx' item
ben_vulpes: that the world promises to deliver me a regrinding nightmare out of stitching together ten patches that all descend from the release patch
ben_vulpes: i'd rather have people chose which node on which to base their patches themselves, based on their own judgement of the quality of the priors, otherwise there's a new axis of promisetronix in play
asciilifeform: for instance, a release is a suggested starting point for patch work
asciilifeform: it means, simply enuff, whatever item ben_vulpes & mod6 proclaim 'this is a trb release'
ben_vulpes: suresure. what even means "a release" though, in a world where each patch now touches the changelog file. that eg ben_vulpes produces a patch that *only* touches the changelog, saying "the foundation makes of this link in the chain a checkpoint"? ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: macroexpand my statement to "I am not adding maintaining my own wad of chosen experimental patches, regrinding them each time there is a mainline release"
ben_vulpes: more of a tumor hanging off the infant's face, but yeah
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is such a thing as ' ben_vulpes & mod6 Troo Release ' !
ben_vulpes: given the evolution of 'v', and that the act of pressing is a private, intimate one, does "current trb's behavior" make much sense anymore?
ben_vulpes: was a pretty neatly surgical fix, i gotta say
asciilifeform: ( iirc mod6 also has a node with it, runs smoothly, talk with him. possibly ben_vulpes also )
trinque: I do not have a hypothesis yet
trinque: nope, this was the deedbot node. each time it happens, there are many external connections, and each time a restart brings it back to the top.
asciilifeform: trinque: do you know of a particular reason why you have a -3k node ? ( it is a young node, not yet grown ? or -- blackholed ? which )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 18:03 trinque: what a terrible error message.
trinque: I just fired a garden variety tx and it confirmed in the next block, 0.0005 fee
asciilifeform finds the 'tx references outputs of old tx, rather than addrs' to be a profoundly trisomistic shitoshiism -- but we can come back to this at next 'trb-i' thread
trinque: what a terrible error message. ☟︎
asciilifeform: or was this a process flow that worked 9000 times before, and otherwise virginal
trinque: other tools say it's a normal tx, and see the input
asciilifeform: ( modified ? if so how? or a well-known press ? or wat )
trinque: appears I've got a bug
trinque: hm, I have a transaction for which trb considers the CTransaction "vin" vector to be empty, but which clearly has an input.
mircea_popescu: nah, that's just a reference to an old romulus vulpescu translation of decameron
asciilifeform: ( i dun have a greppable trilema here, so can't immediately say where )
asciilifeform: it was in a trilema article
mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-11 03:24 asciilifeform: 'ONE way of feeling infallible is not to keep a diary. Looking back through the diary I kept in 1940 and 1941 I find that I was usually wrong when it was possible to be wrong. Yet I was not so wrong as the Military Experts. Experts of various schools were telling us in 1939 that the Maginot Line was impregnable, and that the Russo-German Pact had put an end to Hitler’s eastwards expansion; in early 1940 they were telling us
mircea_popescu: how i regret it! every day i mourn it! they wounded me so very deeply, these idiots, with their idiotic misbehaviour! to the very core of my being i suffer for their failure to have ammounted to a hill of beans!
mircea_popescu: such a disadvantage this puts me at, seriously!
mircea_popescu: because afaik this is a whisperer's product and it THEREFORE carries no weight.
asciilifeform: i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu : i never liked bigendianism . but it did come from a particular cost analysis , ftr. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: if there were a costless thing, by all means. but "between saving for six months to afford the thing i need and "buying" this other thing i don't need on easy rates i choose the former" though ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to see your algo for 2s-complement add/sub for a hypothetical box where sign bit is not the senior bit
mod6: hanbot: ok. let me take a look here...
hanbot: the issue i had yest was *all* files got a copy named filename.orig
mod6: this: diff -uNr a/mpwp/blog/wp-comments-post.php.orig b/mpwp/blog/wp-comments-post.php.orig
mod6: ben_vulpes: yes, i found this one in the genesis: +(function(A){A.widget("ui.draggable",A.extend({},A.ui.mouse,{init:function(){var B=t
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'philosophically consistent' ( hey kurchatov! ) method is: little-endianism . but with it, you're stuck loading a whole parcel to test its sign bit ( i dun give a fuck, personally , on modern iron ) but -- unless yer an arab -- flipping words prior to printing , in the civilized style, left to right
mircea_popescu: because it rotates this way it is therefore not a valid encoding and case closed.
mircea_popescu: big endianism is the proposition of taking a pile of bits, and sorting them such that they representing larger powers of two are later than those representing smaller powers of two ; but only for chunks of bits of an arbitrary lengths ; chunks longer are ordered in ~the contrary fashion~, so ab is to be ordered as ba by this scheme, but abcd is to be ordered as badc.
mircea_popescu: wait wait, i might have a pill ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( attach a dynamo to dijkstra's corpse prior to testing, yes 'oughta tell From First Principles!111' )
asciilifeform: btw iirc trinque has a bigendian machine with a working gnat.
asciilifeform: and the effect is what is desired, namely the layout is exactly the same, independent of whether the code is compiled on a big-endian or little-endian machine. '
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go so far as have to, but it is a fact it'd help me in this point.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i would right now like to, for a great piece i'm writing, link to "The choice of Ada as programming language for this implementation" specifically out of all http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/25/eucrypt-chapter-7-keccak-sponge/ because that's the sort of fine tuned context linkage i use. wut do ?
asciilifeform: i described the two known pills ( without endorsing a particular one ) against endianism. afaik there is not a third.
mircea_popescu: well in any case, there's a week to sort this mess out.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the short version is that the cpu is a physical object. this is an eternal and incurable headache for programmerz, yes
diana_coman: but "In this section we will review the effect of the Bit_Order attribute definition clause on byte ordering. Briefly, it has no effect at all, but a detailed example will be helpful" this is gold
mircea_popescu: this is a gate that dun belong open.
mircea_popescu: so we end up with a make that alters code ?
asciilifeform: what you can do, is either a) operate bitwise, ffa-style. b) mandate an endianism for the data format. and since you know the endianism of the machine you're building on, in particular build, you know whether the machine's is opposite or same as the data's.
asciilifeform: endianism is not an attribute discernible from a pile of bits
asciilifeform: this problem was a serious headache for the tcp/ip people, they solved it mircea_popescu-style, 'fuckyou and errything going over the wire is to be bigendian' (at the time, bigendianism dominated in 'serious' iron)
asciilifeform: nao you could try to derive a keccak' , where it aint..
diana_coman: b. input is a stream of bits; depending on whether you consider that big/little, it will go to different bits of the state
diana_coman: if I understand correctly what you mean by that, yes; basically to start with: I'm not sure that a. as it currently stands you'll get same hash for same input on little vs big endian
asciilifeform: aite, mircea_popescu gets a 1bit bus and 4096b rsa op takes 25 years.
mircea_popescu: there will be a bit and not more. the possibility of " and a machine word = bus size" went away when they failed to implement it correctly.
mircea_popescu: i am of a very good mind to forbid non-concepts like "byte" in computing in the first place.
mircea_popescu: you end up with a rotated octet you're fucked.
spyked: mircea_popescu: sent a couple of pingbacks to trilema, seems to have worked (though I don't see them, it might be that they're currently in the moderation queue). output and script at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LZVEr/?raw=true lemme know if they show up anywhere in your wp
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not proposing here that romania is somehow respectable or has a clue ; or that X random dork is my butt buddy now. all i'm saying is, "look yonder in the reservation for mongoloids of this particular orc breed, the pantsuit kid is getting his head punched in!"
diana_coman: I guess that might make him more sincere than the others but not in any discernible way a better option as far as I can see
BingoBoingo: After the first, figured a short wait after the first trade would be a test of gossip speed. Curious if news of a gringo spreads and all. Or if they have a club, etc.
mircea_popescu: cool, make a post when they're all done.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> here's one example : he calls it "the most serene republic of bitcoin", which was the style at the time. but in practice we omit the bitcoin part most often than not don't we. << If I recall there was a moment somewhere involving miner retardation where there was a discussion of the necessary subordination of Bitcoin to the Republic. Bitcoin's need of a republic is not necessarily reciprocated and all.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 00:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : they're getting $7150, should cover whatever fees / maybe a little leftover. 0.63202778 goes on your books on the right side.
mircea_popescu: i do not expect us army could actually come out of a field encounter with ro army as things stand right now ; but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775860 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whether "a nation" is actually unfit to exist, rather a political figment than a substantial thing ; or on the contrary quite apt to live and thrive and with things yet to say ; or finally long exhausted and entirely dedicated by now to programatic laziness and the comfort seeking of senescence is an open problem
mircea_popescu: conceivably. there's a few options : ukraine went one way ; turkey went another way ; and greece went yet a third way.
mircea_popescu: au 5%, cu tot SRI-ul în spate, cu Coldea cu tot, nu poţi să vii să faci program şi să implementezi nişte idei pentru cealaltă mare majoritate care formează 50% sau 60% şi care a votat."
mircea_popescu: "Societatea civilă este partea aia mare din România care ne-a votat şi ne-a dat această împuternicire. Cei de la #rezist, dacă vor să facă un partid unic, cu Kovesi preşedinte, prim-ministru şi împărat, trebuie să vină cu acest program în faţa românilor să-l voteze. Dacă românii vor o ţară cu #rezist, schimbăm şi steagul şi imnul cu #, iar noi ceilalţi ne aplecăm cu respect. Cât nu sunt votaţi şi
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 03:07 mod6: maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing.
mod6: im not sure if i have a favorite, but those purple leafed plants are really eye catching to me for some reason
mircea_popescu: eh give it a moment prolly.
mod6: maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing. ☟︎
mod6: ugh. man. this is what they call a 'hurts doughnut'