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phf: trinque: it
took an awfully long
time, i want my utopia
tomorrow!
trinque: phf:
the germans weren't
that great once upon a
time,
then
they came around
trinque: heh,
there are
those social spiders in
the Congo
phf: i guess ascii's point is
that skullfuckers are not particularly good at ic design, etc.
trinque: every
time one group weakens and falls inward, someone else is
there
to skullfuck
them
trinque: I
think
the problem with
the idiocracy idea is precisely "here is everywhere"
trinque: but
the analogy was
that one could sell
technological dope
to fund research on
the other
thing
trinque: I don't underestimate anyone who can handle
that level of organizational complexity
trinque: ever read Egan's
thing about Colombian biotech-lords?
trinque: owning
the southern united states someday.
trinque: that cartels sell crack and heroin does not preclude
them from whatever other activities
they might undertake
trinque: all businesses
that grow operate like
this
trinque: I've seen men before
that fixated on a desired end result so much
that
they didn't bother with
the intermediate steps at all.
trinque: which is why I keep bringing up incremental products along
the way
to rebuilding computing
phf: well, i have a 2.4 box
that runs "if your dodgy stack fails,
this must remain" operations, like email, sms, incidentally
that is also last version i can find my way around (pretty sure massive amd/intel commit blogs came later), but it's impractical
to use it as main system, unless you go
to extreme measures of "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style
phf: asciilifeform: i don't
think "having-been-doing-it-since-2000" is
true, naggum ran into
the main issue when he
tried
to run his own fork of 19 without
the mule braindamage, gave up since merging changesets becomes unproductive. i
think somewhere around
those emails he
talks about how he no longer has stamina
to review new changes
that are introduced into his system, and
that's 2001 or so
trinque: people buy derpy firewall devices all
the
time
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taci si suge.
trinque: a businessman might begin with creating
the network device,
then later
try
to build a boy
that needs no bubble
trinque: the "blobs" for example,
the concern is attack vector, right?
trinque: could consider your computers "bubble-boy", unfit
to interact directly with
the outside world
trinque: this is why
that packet-parsing networking device interests me so much.
trinque: when I say desktop, I mean place where I
tape
together system functionality into functions I use in daily work
phf: desktop linux destroyed linux as a system for professional workstations. poetering (or whatever) made his name on desktop-ification of subsystems
that were supposedly "hard for common user"
trinque: and
this
tape-job holding emacs and stumpwm (and now conkeror)
together is hideous
trinque: so you either spend
the inordinate amount of
time I have writing your own
tools for
the "desktop" or pay someone who already handled
that for you
phf: but would play videos, do projectors and connect
to wifi, or whatever was
the pet peeve. battery life
phf: this is also roughly
the period when people running various unixes on
their
thinkpads imho decided
that as long as you have
to deal with shitty code, might as well use a mac, which let you run same userspace, at
the
time still had an opensource kernel, etc.
punkman: phf: and in 2006 it had
that nice rng bug
trinque: kakobrekla: claims 9hrs; I would expect with heavy use it's more like half
that.
phf: in ~2015~ it's a different story, and i'm not arguing
the value of gentoo here
kakobrekla: trinque whats
the buttery
time on
that
thing
phf: asciilifeform: it's not
theoretical. base set of debian packages was fairly clean in 2005, and
the few
that you wanted
to behave your way, you could ~trivially~ modify
phf: asciilifeform:
these days it is, yes. back
then
the little amount of crap you had could be manually removed by patching your deb package or whatever
phf: funkenstein_: when gentoo came out it had a reputation of being a "ricer" os, like how people put spoilers on cheap cars
to make
them "racing cars". all you need
to know is how
to
tweak a few flags, and
then spend a night watching a compilation log. of course
these days ~even
that~ is an arcane skill
trinque: don't ask me what I did
to make it work,
though
trinque: my gentoo install on
the x1 is entirely adequate, can suspend
kakobrekla: well just once. i was
trying
to see how sturdy it is. and i broke it. was an easy change of part
tho.
funkenstein_: 12 year old girl installed debian on a dell box
the other day
funkenstein_: once i moved
to only open source software I have
to install linux on a few laptops every month
funkenstein_: as I see it
the reason
to have a crapple is you can pretend
to know nothing about computers
kakobrekla: you can actually upgrade some old
tps
to ips.
trinque: I recall before
that it was IBM
thinkpads
kakobrekla: and ips seems
to be quite scarce among non apple. sux0r. i cant see a
tn anymore.
trinque: macbook pro did seem
to step into
the "professional computer" role
phf: i actually
think apple killed
thinkpad
kakobrekla: i have a few x220 (which seem better
than x230 which
the girl uses)