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phf: d be an excellent exercise
to make
that code portable
phf: trinque: re lisp rps, you might want
to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages,
https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over
the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need
to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all
those issues, unfortunately married
to cmucl. i
think it woul
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: describe as what
they are, win7 and 8 boxen
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Would it really be accurate
to describe
the
things as computers?
phf: i'm not sure if
this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using
the
technology he doesn't understand
to shoot own foot. in
the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people
ascii_field: mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces
the exact same retardation EVERY
TIME
ascii_field: 'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly
to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages.
This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for
the low-level primitives which are
tricky
to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists,
the implementation is probably better reused.
The major pitfall we hoped
to avoid
that way are side-channel attacks.' <<
phf: sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal
to understand
that what he's proposing goes contrary
to core
tenants, rather
then some minor aside
that needs further clarification.
phf: anton_osika
thread reminds me of
thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for
the people" argument, with
the main difference
that
the debt question was at
the
time open, where's what osika is arguing against is
the core idea of gpg contracts.
the point of
the
thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic
take in hanbot's story, both make
the underlying uncompromi
☟︎ funkenstein_: thestringpuller,
the only "entertainment support" you should need is four strings
ascii_field: prolly more honest
than anything
that will ever come out of a usg foundry.
BingoBoingo: Much easier/cheaper
than first person on staff
BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides
to class your new cleanroom.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> need a clean room and full-time staff
to make use of
the output. << Cleanroom is
the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder
trinque: and Charlie Rose well represents
the assumption
that
the rest of
the world should see
themselves as subject
to
the USA
thestringpuller: trinque: based on current canon bizarro-land is also known as canada or as clark
tells jimmy "Tell him is Bizzarro-America"
thestringpuller: only if linux had
the same entertainment support windows has
trinque: chetty:
the beoble loff 'im
trinque: ascii_field: but no,
this does
take
the bizarro-land cake
trinque: they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have
to
turn it on
chetty: perhaps
this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
trinque: apple's
turds do
the same
thing
ascii_field: 'He continued: “I know of
two instances where people on metered connections went over
their data cap for August because of
this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered
this problem. In fact,
that’s what led me
to it. Not only does it download, it
tries
to install every
time
the computer is booted.”'
ascii_field: trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read
the fine print) back orifice
trinque: nsa must have something really good in
there
ascii_field: An INQUIRER reader pointed out
to us
that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found
that
the ~BT folder, which has been
the home of images of
the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans
to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.'
ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED
that Windows 10 is being downloaded
to computers whether or not users have opted in.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED
that Windows 10 is being downloaded
to computers whether or not users have opted in.
trinque: trying
to find a source worth linking, but yes,
they're not volunteering info on
the site
trinque: several sources online chattering about mosis being in
the "several 10s of k" range
ascii_field: but it is very clear, from
their www,
that it is a 'if you have
to ask for prices, you can't afford
this' affair.
☟︎ trinque: sure,
they fab
the
thing
then
throw it at you
ascii_field: it means
that you can get a crate of bricks
ascii_field: btw, does everyone understand what 'no
test' means ?
ascii_field: trinque: what difference does it make
to you, 100 or 500
ascii_field: and it
takes a dozen runs or more,
to arrive at a usable chip.
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field: also we're down
to 100mn for a lisp CPU now?
ascii_field: need a clean room and full-time staff
to make use of
the output.
ascii_field: trinque:
traditionally
these fabs neither package, nor
test.
ascii_field: last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own
to mount
the dies), NO
TESTING, and 1970-level
transistor counts.
trinque: mosis.com was
the one I found somebody
talking about getting a run done for a few k
☟︎ punkman: did
the various internet chatters make anything?
ascii_field: trinque: you must realize, it
takes dozens of shots
trinque: price point of one was far lower
than
that according
to various internet chatter
trinque: ascii_field: I found
two fabs
that will do small production runs, probably ones of which you're already aware
ascii_field: the correct
thing
to do with each of
those programs is
to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize
them.
ascii_field: trinque:
this is not a workstation. and arguably it does not need a unix at all.
trinque: I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing
the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else
ascii_field: aka
the 'no, mr bond, we expect you
to DIE!' school of problem-solving.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have
this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on
that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does
this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit
there with it in.'
ascii_field: to be completed some
time 20 years from now, if
things go well.
ascii_field: picture if someone offered
to cut off your arms, but promised
to regrow
them 10x stronger cell by cell.
trinque: obviously cannot solve
the whole world at once
ascii_field: trinque: for
the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
☟︎ trinque: didn't propose
that; proposed a V repo of
tools deps and shell scripts
ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted
to build
things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux.
☟︎ trinque: *that* someone (maybe I) would be willing
to maintain, but not a whole OS somebody else built
trinque: I built my own emacs by hand on
the openbsd box I put
together
trinque: openbsd + V repo of standard issue
tools, and forget ports
ascii_field: poetteringisms, drepperisms,
the whole lot.
ascii_field: for something
touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager
to pull
the crud along
ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS
to me.
☟︎ ascii_field: i couldn't even get pcmcia
to work reliably on it.
trinque: openbsd kernel seems
to lack all
the virtualization, containerization, ...
ascii_field: but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go
to hell.
kakobrekla: like apple does, baiscally all
the same hw.
ascii_field: attempting
to address
the kernel bloat without somehow magicking
this away, is idiocy.
ascii_field: the monstrosity is ultimately from
the hardware nonuniformity.
trinque: there was a project a while back
to get portage on openbsd
trinque: ascii_field: pkg_add did seem
to pull in goddamned everything
ascii_field: trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus',
then it can GO
TO HELL
ascii_field: trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and
then got fed up with
the dependency resolver retardation.
anton_osika: ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while
the gentleman MP is gone.
shinohai: Agreed
trinque, which is why I never
tried Gentoo until you came along.