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asciilifeform: possibly i'm thick, but afaik 'blue' / 'red' as diff as can be -- even murder weapon of choice diff, 'red' with rocket strike , 'blue' prefers 'democratic crowd with raised awareness' (or if fails, poison)
mircea_popescu: this was for orcs contemplating saying "yes" to the questions that may only be answered with the orlov niet.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, that's for zeks imagining themselves "inside the system".
mircea_popescu: but i mean at the ~onset~. by the time nixon was involved no such thing as meaningful red spoke publicly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the last time that distinction might've translated a meaningful difference was literally at the ONSET of vietnam war, opposing a very rudimentary "act from causes vs act for effects" dilemma.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-ix/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of July, August and September, 1716. - Part IX.
asciilifeform: 'militaristic' meathead quite diff even visually from the 'demoocracy spreader'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've had the misfortune to meet both types , they're distinguishable even from across street , as if fantasy characters , dwarf, elf
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, this is the "manalone dies like he deserves to die, and like all will die"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a distinction without a difference.
asciilifeform: i find the 'coloured' model useful, it describes the -- quite diff -- sets of folx , one which grifts on 'orange revolution' management, other -- lives to churn inventory for lockheed et al
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone recall where that trilema article is, which literally says, "if you believe what usg lies to you, you'll end up in impossible committments which they WILL NOT help you pay for. they'll just withdraw leaving you hanging." ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "sent to die" gimme a break, whole premise of iraq was "nobody dies, nobody even walks the ground. we all sit in mcdonalds and do munch"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's a tenous argument that such a thing as "red" even during vietnam era. which is you know, half century wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: historically existed tho, the folx who set up e.g iraq, by idjit pseudo-diplomacy, were not the one who then sent to die in desert.
BingoBoingo: Survivors shot taming Trump
BingoBoingo: And the Syria situation where NATO member Turkey's allies do not overlap with NATO member USG's allies
asciilifeform: nuke house & related ceremonials , ministered to by 'red'
mircea_popescu: the warnings to any orcs thinking of following usg.blue's nonsense do pile on : they'll leave you high and dry, yo! wake up an' smell the coffee.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: primary occupation of 'blue' seems historically to be -- to help 'red' stuff its cock in blender
BingoBoingo: The USG defense industry marketers have been getting right fucked by the Turks since they decided Turkey was good enough to make new things, but not buy old things
mircea_popescu: the problem being, of course, usg.blue then gets caught with pants down regularly, and well, such lulz ensue. "you want us to help you save your nukes now ? suck on this cock, dorks."
BingoBoingo: And Turkey being supplier of certain F-35 part for euro markets
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633625 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902800 very much related, by the way. ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: Then there's the whole S-400 versus Patriot Missile air defense decision the USG forced on Turkey and is still trying to do take backsies on.
asciilifeform: aha, when they move it is like when old sultan moved
mircea_popescu: cost plenty of dough, too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tis fact.
mircea_popescu: the wooden tongue of these tards.
mircea_popescu: not to mention HIGHLY!!!! iiiiiiinappropriate.
asciilifeform found entertaining rumour, that usg has hurriedly moved nuke warehouse from turks to ro
mircea_popescu: keks of all time. HIGHLY reckless, you see.
mircea_popescu: “Remarks have been made by the Turkish President Erdogan that I consider highly offensive to Australians, and highly reckless in this very sensitive environment,” Mr Morrison said.
mircea_popescu: always was, too, roman elite went to fucking smyrna.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, turkey actually is what miami aims to be.
asciilifeform: i suspect they also hate turks cuz the latter functional/sane
mircea_popescu: there's this fundamental self-hatred at the basis of "decisions" the schmucky whitebois take. "i shouldn't do well".
asciilifeform: so wainot turks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the eu can fail rather than thrive. they were "contending for the faith", see.
asciilifeform: iirc orig was 'cuz camelfuckistan will transit through it and move to sweden' but naodays that's Officially Blessed
asciilifeform: i still dunget wainot turks in eu
mircea_popescu: somehow, magically, i don't expect any "democratic decision factors" being hanged, or even as much as confronted (let alone admitting) their strict liability for this result.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/brexit-grexit-departugal-italeave-czechout-finish-oustria-latervia-byegium/#selection-103.162-111.212 <<< the controlling point on the matter.
mircea_popescu: australia-turkey war, top keks.
asciilifeform: ... then again maybe no upgrade, consider , in ww1 no one remembered gavrilo p., d00d quietly died of typhus iirc while europe chopped off own limbs
asciilifeform: ( supposing whole thing not sham , i've nfi )
BingoBoingo: ^ Brenton Tarrant, very effective Turkish Nationalist
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/erdogan-intensifies-anti-anzac-talking-points-by-invoking-gallipoli/ << Qntra -- Erdogan Intensifies Anti-ANZAC Talking Points By Invoking Gallipoli
asciilifeform: ^ most of the possible 'naive' designs for pehlike item, fail at this
asciilifeform: ( the other design objective, perhaps less obvious, is that enables treatment of incoming ciphertexts as 'passive subjects' operated upon by 'active' privkey, i.e. it is not possible for an incoming pehgram to decide to print yer privkey to screen, or radio its bits to aether by constructed pattern of decrypts, etc ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, it's a major abstractive tool -- consider only how it structured "interesting" above.
asciilifeform: design objective was, it oughta be able to generate any reasonable current or fyootoor publickeytron key , transform privs to pubs for publication, and operate to sign/encr/decr., with the 'tapes' being maximally human-readable , and the mechanics of the state machine per se, watertight. errything on top of this -- is bonus.
mircea_popescu: act~ definition of interesting ; concrete definitions are things like "write a tape to do rsa with".)
mircea_popescu: yes, but consider : as a counterpart of the "gnalr contest", which imo is not that bad of an idea even if it flows necessarily from the ~nature~ of the substrate, "only intellectually challenging thing to do in c++ is gnarl, much like only thing to do with mud is mess", one could also resurrect ye olde game of life (remember the mike_c project ?). construct say the tape that has the most interesting downstream (by some ~abstr
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think we've even scratched the surface of what this thing can do.
mircea_popescu: instabootstrappers meet gameoflife on tape!
asciilifeform: ( it ~can~ print a new tape, which is how one e.g. generates keys, etc )
asciilifeform: tape cannot write to self.
asciilifeform: the most obvious mistake would be to 'von neumann' and to permit the tape to write to the tape, but i avoided that from beginning.
asciilifeform: naturally it is impossible to make 'magic' proggy where somehow 'no one' can be confused. but can remove the obv. sharp edges that errybody seems to like cutting own limbs off, w/out much cost, turns out.
mircea_popescu had this prepared in his notes, "and then he'll implement jumps, at which point dilemma : either all instructions are single byte, or else all instructions carry double meaning, from whence discussion of ambiguity in language etc".
asciilifeform: in the end found that they are entirely unnecessary: ch4-style { } forward skip blocks, and ch17 controlstack-powered loop mechanics, do 100% of what is constructively done normally with numeric jumps
asciilifeform: but jumps 1) turn whitespace into semantically significant ops 2) would permit x86-style 'double meanings' where you can jump into middle of a prefixed (2-char) op , and so on
asciilifeform: for thrd-completeness -- the final design turned out quite diff from the orig 2017 prototype. e.g. orig i was gonna have jumps
asciilifeform: i dun anticipate any new tape motion ops, period (besides, we're justabout outta ascii... )
asciilifeform: sorta how i ended up starting with starvation minimum of control flow ops, and slowly added'em in after attempts to write e.g. rsa keygen w/out'em turned out quite ugly
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's notion is to drive every possible nail into the heads of folx who like to 'obfuscated contest'
asciilifeform: seems like mircea_popescu is thinking same thing, i'ma make '2'.
asciilifeform: i was also thinking '2' initially
mircea_popescu: i'd say 2, tbh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i considered to mandate a minimal sub name length, but decided on '1' for time being.
mircea_popescu: what, in the field ? by self ?
mircea_popescu: this is a lot like saying "every knight is welcome to try and tournament".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errybody is welcome to try an' 'gnarl' .
asciilifeform: @subname@body; declares a sub (declaration terminated by the ; so it is not possible to declare a sub with no return. ) @subname! calls the sub. sub can be called only if declared previously, and may not call self. sub may not be declared inside a sub or loop (i.e. if control stack is nonempty.)
asciilifeform: one of the wins from this is that whitespace addition/removal in the tape has no effect.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that doesn't mean anything in context -- there's a "nimblest dancer" at the retirement home, also.
asciilifeform: thing is built as much as possible to discourage brainfuckism. (i.e. explicit positional tape movement is prohibited, ditto recursion)
asciilifeform: pretty simple actually. (full detail in ch18 text)
asciilifeform: forgot to disable warnings for bot
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: WARNING: Short Tape: Tapespace filled to position: 38 of 300.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 09:27 spyked: notice: feedbot, spykedbot and web facing items that I'm hosting (e.g. thetarpit) will be down tomorrow, the 20th of March, cca 8AM-12PM. apologies for any inconveniences this might cause.
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903323 : services are back online. pl0x to poke me if anyhing's amiss. ☝︎
diana_coman: hm, the end there got clipped; I meant: I'll keep both domains and have redirects in place so all links with either domain work anyway.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 22:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman i actually edited latest trilema to http://trilema.com/2019/lets-look-at-the-mechanism-of-decay/#selection-145.46-149.11 ; but i confess it's unclear which is the cannonical name. should it be dianacoman.com or ossasepia.com ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903447 -> both work and will work; when I started, the only name I could say I won't change was my own, hence dianacoman.com; in time I found a name for the blog too (took a few detours) and that's ossasepia hence ossasepia.com; but I don't expect anyone to go through any trouble and have to change their links either way; I suppose strictly speaking the blog is ossasepia.com so that'd be the cannonical but I'll ☝︎
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-june-july-and-august-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July and August, 1715. - Part III.
hanbot: btw trinque anything grab you re the patchlessness/lack of portage dir in http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/ ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: remarkably how little press these guys get, considering how much traffic they buy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in pronz, https://www.nutaku.net/services/publishing/ << "Nutaku Publishing is offering $10,000,000 to fund the growth of the adult game development community"
shinohai was given ~$100 worth that was immediately traded for BTC on cryptopia
mircea_popescu: i dunno any of them are alive in any sense.
shinohai: lol I thought VERGE got rekt already. (Got added to pr0n sites, no one bothered to use)
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck, alien parallel realities.
mircea_popescu: in other quite abstract lulz : there apparently exists a "cryptocurrency payment processor" (aka, https://probiller.com/ ) that takes one of "Horizen", "Tron" or "VERGE".
mod6: I gotta step away for now, but I appreciate it. We'll keep discussing this stuff. Maybe that's 50% of my problem, not enough chats.
mod6: Anyway, it's not done being shaved just yet. But I'm getting there. So that's what I've been doing last few days.
mod6: Which, to trinque's point, the tool that really helps (I had forgotton about this) is the `make menuconfig` search.
mod6: I've been working, in the recent few days since "irc-server!!1", on just shaving the yak of my cuntoo-kernel.
mod6: Yeah, thanks for your input.