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mod6: Well, I can agree, we need to get the word out.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> does this make sense to you ? << Yes, Sir. Got it.
mod6: I suspected this as well.
mod6: Alright, so what do you suggest here? I thought that you were saying, multiple times that we should refinance. This is what I've been thinking about most lately.
mod6: Yeah, I think 4 is plenty.
mod6: Or equity or whatever it is.
mod6: Such as me? Does someone pay for my bonds?
mod6: What happens to old bond holders?
mod6: This is good to know.
mod6: This is just an example.
mod6: So let's discuss :]
mod6: I believe this is probably a good way to get Pizarro into better financial shape, but it's hard for me to imagine how this works.
mod6: Let's say, for instance, 5 different people each came in with 10 BTC. Would that create 5 new board seats each?
mod6: So, let's say that we thought that we would need to raise 50 BTC (just throwing it out there) - I'd like to talk about how that might work.
mod6: Again, not the top priority either. Anyway, moving on...
mod6: This makes 100% sense to me.
mod6: Customers, who's paid, who hasen't, what do we own, when are teh bills due.
mod6: I'm not impartial to database. I just want something that we can all see, and all the info about the business is contained within.
mod6: I dont even think that he really wants to use it specifically either, as, again, mod6 is not accountant.
mod6: asciilifeform: it wasn't months. I spent probably 1 weekend hacking on a psql ddl back in march, and ben_vulpes is finally getting around to looking at it now.
mod6: I didn't say this was top priority either.
mod6: I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.
mod6: Perhaps, whatever it is, it must yield something that mod6 can read.
mod6: And I can agree, that it doesn't have to happen right now.
mod6: It is not a waste of time.
mod6: All I'm saying is, a business should have a formal way to track things, this is all.
mod6: How is this without merit?
mod6: How the fuck are we to know what is what.
mod6: God forbid that ben_vulpes get's hit by a car on his bike tomorrow and then we have to pick this up.
mod6: Just /SOMETHING/ that doesn't require debugging.
mod6: I don't care if it's a flat file either.
mod6: I want all of the things in a place we can all refer to and say "oh there it is! now I can see how many x are in there" or whatever.
mod6: We are discussing/thinking about how to recapitalize, get more rockchips, customers. So this is on going. I don't think anyone is wasting anytime by any streach of imagination.[
☟︎ mod6: I'm no accountant, or anything, however, I find it insane to try to keep track of things in a lisp script. Do we really want to debug our accounting things every week/month?
mod6: This is a simply, 'nice to have', in my personal opinion.
mod6: I don't think it is a 'blocker', but Mr. Vulpes will have to respond to that.
mod6: I've said this as recently as last week.
mod6: And I guess, it is not up to me how Mr. Vulpes wants to track these things for Pizarro, however, if I'm asked to make decisions, I EXPECT that these things are clear, in plain language.
mod6: Now what is a waste of time, for me, is this lisp/sexp shit. For instance, lastnight it cost us 2 man hours. 1 for me, 1 for ben who had to take me through the entire rockchip lisp thing that he created.
mod6: Now do I think he's wasting time? No. I'm sure he hasn't spent much time on it at all since I even created it, but he would have to say for himself.
mod6: So. I created this database back in March to help track inventory, payments, customer accounts, etc. This all to help ben_vulpes save time when doing reporting. Which, as I understand is taking him a lot of time each month.
mod6: Glad to hear you're feeling better.
mod6: how's everyone doin today?
mod6: how's it goin mircea_popescu?
mod6: srs aventure this weekend
mod6: Thanks for the help all.
mod6: alright, both machines finally installed with Gentoo & 4.9.4 GCC.
mod6: i really need to wrap my head around some of this stuff; no excuses.
mod6: ahh. part of the whole thing is, even after all this time, im still pretty non-clued on the whole portage usage. i guess, one-adventure-at-a-time, im learning more.
mod6: ah, crud, must have missed that
mod6: ah. if you built the rockchips with that, i bet it would then, ya. yesterday, i was wondering which old one you must hvae used.
mod6: mornin' asciilifeform
mod6: soon the only bridge will be the 6->5->4 ben_vulpes dance. (until cuntoo)
mod6: ty. it basically is pure luck the old one worked. it won't work forever either.
mod6: Now, just gotta do this again with the 2nd box.
mod6: I did get one of the boxes installed so far with 4.9.4 GCC from an old stage3. Interestingly the stage3 from 2015 was too old (was complaining about EAPI things), but my other old stage3 from 20170316 was still ok.
mod6: not even seems like, did report errors. see #pizarro.
mod6: I thought the second way would work, and in fact `gcc-config -l` does report : x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 ; however, it seems like none of the ebuilds would work with a stage3 that old.
mod6: (all the details are in #pizarro)
mod6: The second way, I just tried was with a stage3 from 2015: stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2
mod6: Well, I've gotten stuck 2 different times. The first way was with a stage3 from yesterday, which, the install worked, but left me with GCC-6.4.0.
mod6: if so, will keep track of the steps for a possible new doc.
mod6: alright, im gonna see if I can get ben_vulpes' downgrade dance to do the trick.
mod6: Yeah, so our own OS, even if we don't know what we're quite doing yet, is more worthwhile than what gentoo has to offer.
mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
☟︎ mod6: Once opon a time, the docs we put together for trb users to build a gentoo worked. Much better, and much more clear than the gentoo garbage docs.
mod6: yeah, our own thing is 100% required at this point.
mod6: I'm trying to build up two machines so I can do some trb testing with rawtx, et. al. Kinda hung until I can get an OS installed.
mod6: Whatever docs TMSR~ has to install a gentoo are out of date. New ones are required.
mod6: I'm having a reaaaaaly hard time installing gentoo with a gcc4 now.
mod6: mornin'! logs finally eaten :]
mod6 finally sits down to eat log
mod6: Software Engineer at The Nerdery, Minneapolis, MN << leeel
mod6: oh yah, there you go
mod6: lmao 'thigh and pelvis arch'
mod6: (might just be my screen or whatever)
mod6: but seems to be pretty good anyway
mod6: they go cascading from left to right, looks ok but when you get down to 'jgabrielygalan' there is a funny looking wrap where 'key: 1' is left most justified.