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jfw: thanks,
that's a good start
to chew on.
mp_en_viaje: much like
the problem of medicine for 1-2000 years wasn't
that it was practiced at all ; but
that it was practiced by barbers. hence
the hippocratic oath,
mp_en_viaje: this is a weakass approach, however.
the problem with
totalitarian systems isn't
that
they exist ; but
that
they're made by (and for) "vegetarian
teetotalitarians",
to quote ray campbell since he was on
trilema recently. ie idiots.
mp_en_viaje: (and
the dear love of
the pantsuit for non-totalitarian comes exactly from
this -- it comes with a guarantee
to not bruise his definitional laziness.)
mp_en_viaje: there's no properly speaking scientific reason
to do or not do anything, specifically because science is not
totalitarian.
jfw: quite different from
the googapedia definition indeed. would it be accurate
to say
then
that science is a process of attempting
to formulate a
totalitarian system?
mp_en_viaje: i suppose something like "complete" would be more intuitively appealing ; but a complete (or realised) system is one
that merely satisfies
the first criterion.
things like
the linnaeus classification have been complete since
their introduction, for instance.
mp_en_viaje: to be
totalitarian a system makes
two explicit promises :
that no objects existing can be found
that don't map on objects included ; and
that no valid questions can be formulated on
those objects
that
the system fails
to answer.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, a system is
the cognitive equivalent of an algebra : a srt of elements and
the operations defined on
them.
the problem of systems is
the adequacy between
themselves and reality.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:31:58 mp_en_viaje:
they still exist for
the same exact existential reasoning, which is very much
the only way to have meaningful
totalitarian systems in
the first place.
jfw: I got
that re
the hash(hash( at least.
mp_en_viaje feels
the need
to point out
that
the exact scheme described is ~merely intended as an example of
the principle~, not proposed
to be actually used. since idiots are reading.
jfw: lolz. I'm sure some
top codebreakers are working on
that.
mp_en_viaje: sure, ~in
theory~ you can do
the job. in practice it'll be done just as soon as alf makes a business work.
mp_en_viaje: now consider your job is
to "forensic analyze" a 2
TB file which was produced by
taking
the contents of a luzer hdd and xor'ing it with a PRNG working on
the premise of hash ( hash (..... hash ( password)
mp_en_viaje: jfw, sure, in
the absolute sense it is
true.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:59:35 mp_en_viaje: in which same vein, "user password" in
the shape of FS symmetrically encrypted such
that withoyut password you can read any other OTP out of it
that you wish, and so on.
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959036 - hmm, I
thought Shannon proved you can't have
that without
the pad having at least as many bits as
the message. If
there's more possible FS states
than passwords,
then I can find one
that can't be pulled out by any key - reminds me of Cantor's diagonalization
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:28:59 mp_en_viaje: in any case i'm not proceeding from an utilitarian perspective, "this should exist because
the user would benefit".
the logic informing
the concept is rather existential, "for such a
thing as an operating system
to meaningfully exist,
the self-destruct must be in
the operator's hands at all
times"
mp_en_viaje: i do propose
this is a universally valid
truth ;
though i do not expect it's necessarily actionable. plenty of people care much more
than i do.
mp_en_viaje: actually come
to
think of it,
the guy's daughter, epstein's 17yo whore, henry ford's wife etc are way
the fuck a better in
than
the "financial advisor".
dorion: yeah, good
to have it spelled out,
thanks.
mp_en_viaje: exactly like
the point with "informative radio progeramming" or w/e i was discussing with whaack on his blog : you can ask whatever, but in
the end you're still
talking
to
the call center. "and when you get
there, you'll still be in a pontiac", as lefty put it. see ?
mp_en_viaje: moreover kinda
the point of
the whole system, you can't
talk
to
the owners becayse "nobody knows who
they are" because
they "got
together" and gave all
their money up
to a state "company"
to "manage it" for
them, which it does deliberately in
this specific manner. you might as well ask
the call center costa rican / indian / whatever
to connect you
to
the company president's daughter's private cellphone.
mp_en_viaje: he doesn't get
to "disengage hr" or "work from home" ; and if he
tries, well,
the leverage goes away. which being
the whole point of his existence, is not negotiable.
mp_en_viaje: this is not going
to fly, because it's not his money. he's approximately in
the position of
the hooker leaning on a parked mercedes, he doesn't get
to say anything about where it goes.
the northface / sketchers went on
the cc, like
the purchases of every other employee.
mp_en_viaje: so basically your idea is "talk him out of seeking '''regulated'''
trades" ?
dorion: I don't right now because I don't have any license. I could put effort into making relationship with licensed operations, but
thought I'd ask you since
the minimal exposure I have
to
those smelled more like incomptence.
mp_en_viaje: i mean,
the one informative analogy here is i suppose an insured plumber, or even better a union shop. if you're uninsured and want
to do plumbing for some guy who needs plumbing done, either he drops
the "i want an insured plumber" or you go get insured. same with a union shop : if you wanna work
there, either you bust
the union or else join
the union.
dorion: I inferred
that he wants
to deal with entities with a license for a securities regulator.
mp_en_viaje: but
this isn't what most anyone using
the
term will expect it
to mean, especially if
they own a dog, let alone a car or a secretary or anything
mp_en_viaje: it was (mosty, ineptly) co-opted by
the early bitcoin crowd
to denote a sort of non-repudiable, no-third-party deal
mp_en_viaje: i suspect some
term confusion might be at work here.
mp_en_viaje: i mean,
there's an actual otc market, i
traded on it, so have most people, it's still regulated as much as any market,
mp_en_viaje: not without knowing what
the regulations are or in general like
that ?
dorion: do you have a recommendation for how I could counter
this fiat mindedness when
talking with
those adapted
to
the fiat regulation ?
dorion: I'm pretty inexperienced on
the bank based side of otc and
the couple otc desks I've
talked
to don't seem so much different
than
the website exchanges, e.g. use phone apps and/or gmail
to facilitate
the deals, aren't using gpg or
the wot, etc.
dorion: mp_en_viaje a local financial advisor asked me about otc. says he's done some 3 figure btc deals for clients
through regulated entities in singapore and switzerland and said he prefers
to stay within fiat regulation.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 06:44:26 mp_en_viaje: but enough of
the sandals.
diana_coman: aww, jfw missed a 5th s in
there with
that predations.
ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-07 11:12:40 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, ima be playing with sluts in
the water
this weekend ; but come say
tuesday, we sit down and finally complete
that project ?
mp_en_viaje: this
then explains
the pageful of pingbacks
mp_en_viaje: isn't
that a great word ? assonance, an ass not even once!
mp_en_viaje: yes,
there is more : it drives assonances in
the readership lol.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, ima be playing with sluts in
the water
this weekend ; but come say
tuesday, we sit down and finally complete
that project ?
mp_en_viaje: rocess a sort of useful publicity-manual
thing for you ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 17:35:02 mod6: mp_en_viaje: Hey
there, Sir. Now
that you're back
to CR (glad you had a good
trip), plz
to process mpex withdrawls when you have an extra few minutes.
Thanks in advance.
mp_en_viaje: aite,
this is by now
turning into way
too much of a joke.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 21:01:19 BingoBoingo: Fed it into deedbot before, but it seems deedbot deeding from chan may be requiring some manual intervention on
trinque's side.
mp_en_viaje: Such successful ratholes
the socialists built,
that per same ACS 2014, median value of single-family home = $131k, possibly last place on continental us where such wonder exists. only 5k of
them,
too, but if nobody wants...
mp_en_viaje: "In 1981, he campaigned against
the unpopular plans by Burlington developer
Tony Pomerleau
to convert
the
then-industrial waterfront property owned by
the Central Vermont Railway into expensive condominiums, hotels, and offices. He ran under
the slogan "Burlington is not for sale" and successfully supported a plan
that redeveloped
the waterfront area into a mixed-use district featuring housing, parks, and public spaces."
mp_en_viaje: ACS, 2014 : median household income $37,078, per capita income for
the city was $25,589, 16.9% of families and 30.7% of
the population below
the poverty line. needless
to say
this wasn't
the case in
the 70s.
mp_en_viaje: proof : In 2007,
the city was named one of
the
top four "places
to watch" in
the United States by
the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP).
The ratings were based on what was perceived as ideal qualities for older residents. Criteria included
the factors
that make a community livable: new urbanism, smart growth, mixed-use development, and easy-living standards (also known as
the place being a ruin so decrepit, not even
the nigg
mp_en_viaje: t when Sanders won by just
ten votes" <<
ten years later, burlington, virginia was indeed a ruin, and
the moron in question started offering his services on a countrywide basis.
mp_en_viaje: "Sanders castigated
the pro-development incumbent as an ally of prominent shopping center developer Antonio Pomerleau, while Paquette warned of ruin for Burlington if Sanders were elected.
The Sanders campaign was bolstered by a wave of optimistic volunteers as well as by a series of endorsements from university professors, social welfare agencies, and
the police union.
The final result came as a shock
to
the local political establishmen
mp_en_viaje: dude;s born before
the fucking war, what a fucking joke.
BingoBoingo: Down here in Uruguay, Dengue is
the more immediate
threat. Still,
the new government
that swore in on Sunday already started sweeping up pichis and moving
them into shelters.
BingoBoingo: The audition for 2020's Hillary is down
to Mr. Sandals, Biden, and
that
Tulsi chick
the US media refused
to
talk about all campaign.
BingoBoingo: But...
the case against
the US doing
this are
their
tech is behind and
the US is an incredibly geriatricentric mess.
BingoBoingo: generals might
take charge for a "state of emergency" in Iran,
tremendous
tempting a US regime change fail.
BingoBoingo: Well, It's
the Iranian supposing it. Very well could have been Eritrea, Kenya, Israel, or
the pangolins. I weighted
the Iranian saying
this as worthwhile on
their January humiliation of
Trump, Pompeo, and
the US military. Maybe
they unload some elderly and hang
the US with
this. Yes hitting
the Italian and Iranian geriatric states is incredibly lulzy, but I suspect
there's a deeper bench behind Iran's geriatrics
than
the US raised.
The
mp_en_viaje: this is like one of
those stories where
the cuck raped
the squirrel.
mp_en_viaje: and what sense does
this make,
the us is so way
the fuck behind in biotech it could just as well be eritreea, but it nevertheless infected
the heartland of chinese manufacture, notwithstanding
that
the chines aren't quite as backward nor is
that place so easily accessible [as others would have been] just
to get
to some utterly obscure and very deeply isolated community of predictably self-selected geriatrics ?
mp_en_viaje: in which same vein, "user password" in
the shape of FS symmetrically encrypted such
that withoyut password you can read any other OTP out of it
that you wish, and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:39:09 jfw: mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958985 - so a "shred" command not good enough
then? Ignoring
the issue
that drives have brains of
their own
these days, is
there value in an emergency self-destruct button
that depends on a substantial duration of continued external power supply?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:29:53 jfw: mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-05#1958950 - still worked,
though
that was on a musl gawk, perhaps it's special in a sufficiently different way. I don't have a drepper box around with
that much disk atm. I'll believe it once blew up in some environment
though.
mp_en_viaje: i
think giving away a monopoly
to existential
thought away
to
the usg and limiting self
to
the merely municipal "utilitarian" perspective is not much better, nor in fact substantially different from giving
them a monopoly on coinage. which i
take we're not willing
to give.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-06-30 11:33:02 a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up.
the freedom
to
threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for
the construction of effectual instruments
to squash
the socialists and
their golums.
mp_en_viaje: they still exist for
the same exact existential reasoning, which is very much
the only way to have meaningful
totalitarian systems in
the first place.
mp_en_viaje: then from
that node we can proceed
to a "well, how's
this
to be implemented ? should
there eg be a wipeage button or not worth bothering with". i
think it's worth bothering with for
the statement it makes, for everyone, users and producers alike ; even if it's neither useful nor used. lots of
things are neither used nor used, like say
the us supreme court.
mp_en_viaje: in any case i'm not proceeding from an utilitarian perspective, "this should exist because
the user would benefit".
the logic informing
the concept is rather existential, "for such a
thing as an operating system
to meaningfully exist,
the self-destruct must be in
the operator's hands at all
times"
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:22:14 jfw: Or small children... if
there's a button, it will be pushed
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959012 << it's a matter of principle rather
than anything ; i
think it's poor practice
to argue against principles on
the basis of expediency. how useful
the item is in practice is a fine discussion
to be had, sure ; but can only be had on
the actually sound basis of having
the item in
the first place.
diana_coman: and sure, one can still branch (effectively on
the manifest file), but again, I don't see
the situation where
the leaves are not obvious even in a huge
tree.
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959017 - if you mean
the branches from before
the manifest was introduced in
that specific
tree, it's not
that much "with a manifest" really; but in any case, regardless of how many leaves
there are,
they are still obvious enough in a
tree
text dump so
that I don't
think it's needed separately as such.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 05:11:03 mp_en_viaje: jfw, incidentally,
thinking about it --
the one (and, for
that matter, only) item
that actually needs first class, os support is user-initiated,
thorough, complete and reliable storage media destruction.
jfw: mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958985 - so a "shred" command not good enough
then? Ignoring
the issue
that drives have brains of
their own
these days, is
there value in an emergency self-destruct button
that depends on a substantial duration of continued external power supply?
jfw: and if, say, every gtk prog is done by building on
the gtk
tree (not finding
the ref but I recall MP explaining it
to me
thus),
this could be a pretty common situation
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 03:55:25 bvt: diana_coman: i have a question about leafs command: can you explain how you use it? i gave it some
thought, and honestly i fail
to see how it is useful: after adding
the manifest which linearizes
the vpatches, "leafs" reports only one leaf, without showing
the split vtree branches before it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-05 15:34:05 mp_en_viaje: jfw,
try on say 64gb
jfw: re cats,
there was
that
time when an out-of-print proprietary unix install CD, irreplaceable artifact, was destroyed. Engineers had left it on a
table, y'know, in
the server room, near
the screwdrivers and such. Not
the ideal of orderliness, sure, but not
the worst either. What engineers forgot was
that CEO liked
to bring cats
to
the office (to better acclimate
them
to people and
travel).