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BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280082 << Turns out BIP 101 is less of a thing than huffing ether. No Surprise. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 01:53:14; mircea_popescu: wait, old holland's banned in the us ?!
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279993 << No, but Mr. Holland's Opus was the worst film ever ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 01:50:44; mircea_popescu: i think suicide bombing not only can be but actually is perfectly justified.
BingoBoingo: What coach doesn't ask a player to give it their all in the game? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279985 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Actually the part where there is no way for the hub node to be configured such that "hey this -connect node is cool to peer only with me" is a problem
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 00:29:16; pete_dushenski: for a node network n00b, i found the aforejizzed quote quite interesting
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279967 << Only AMAZING COMPANY ALA LABCOIN here is the retarded pace of UMD and friends. Like... The never jsut tried sending random messages at nodes to see what they do? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: By the time I was buying TI-92 without the plus 29 including shipping
BingoBoingo: Both of them
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:49:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279839 << i thought betel was banned in usa? or was that khat ?
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assbot: A Tough Day as Leaders | Symantec Connect Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZEqL )
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:17:04; punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279465 << the reply couldn't be more lulzy if you tried https://archive.is/qXAPE ☝︎
cazalla: i've heard "i needed the better camera" quite a few times
cazalla: somewhat of a paradox.. why buy new iphones each year with over 9000 mega pixels only to down sample..
punkman: low-res probably helps with the cellulite too
punkman: I suppose 640pixels was all anyone had on their phones when instagram started
cazalla: perhaps the quality of the photo is meant to match the shitty subject manner
cazalla: i still don't understand how or why tiny boxed photos with lense flare and filters is more popular than a proper photo.. could normal photos be just as social?
punkman: the fake-name instagram/facebook/etc and the real-name instagram
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finstagram | Finstagram, finsta for short, is a mixture of Fake & Instagram. People, usually girls , get a second Instagram account along with their real instagrams, rinstagrams, ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finstagram | Finstagram, finsta for short, is a mixture of Fake & Instagram. People, usually girls , get a second Instagram account along with their real instagrams, rinstagrams, ...
cazalla: an anecdote but when i snoop the facebooks of the girls i wanted to bang in high school yet never did, their last posts are usually 2012-2013
asciilifeform: 'Recently, however, Brar has fallen out of love with Facebook. He discovered — as Business Insider reported recently — that his Facebook fanbase was becoming polluted with thousands of fake likes from bogus accounts. He can no longer tell the difference between his real fans and the fake ones. Many appear fake because the users have so few friends, are based in developing countries, or have generic profile pictures.' << oh
mod6: also, fwiw my TEST2 node has block 375296
asciilifeform: he wrote some code which could, theoretically, be used to make this.
asciilifeform: this very thing.
mod6: didnt some guy get paid for a graph, or was that a differnet thing?
asciilifeform: (yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster) ☟︎
asciilifeform: esp. since nobody ever did the chore, yet, of making a usable wall-sized call graph like i asked for
asciilifeform: it doesn't hurt to have it. for the call graphs.
mod6: anyway, yeah, i agree. we'll have to get lxr setup for v0.5.4 for sure, and maybe at that time we just drop doxygen or just point at it for the call graphs.
asciilifeform: (emacs will tell me where a string occurs, sure, but this is pointedly NOT what i want)
asciilifeform: i prolly ought to set the thing up on local disk
mod6: me too, if i even use it at all. most of the time i just use an editor.
asciilifeform: i use it every time i look at the thing at all.
mod6: or whenever he gets time i suppose.
asciilifeform: mod6: the lxr thing is indispensible
mod6: asciilifeform: maybe jurov can add another lxr for v0.5.4 when release is official? i actually never use the doxygen one either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bubble butts beckon. i shall return tomorrow!
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/script.cpp#1188 << verifying a tx sig
asciilifeform: other than for the flow graphs.
asciilifeform: the thing is graphically spiffy but entirely worthless in practice.
asciilifeform: and the file browser, always visible, is mega-annoying
asciilifeform: doxygen is RETARDED, it takes actual sweat to so much as link to a specific line of src
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 'lxr' is 1001 times more useful than doxygen. can haz both plz ?
mircea_popescu: like they programmed nipples in life aha.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> utterly illiterate << kids today are used to adding things together. "how many pears do you get adding six ducks to eight nails ?" "14!!!"
mircea_popescu: it MIGHT do something dirty silently in that loop
asciilifeform: i have the thing on screen as we speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think while the txn are verified serially maybe the memory for entire block is allocated somewhere ; haven't actually had someone dig into the code for this angle./
mircea_popescu: (ie, this many blocks of this size each)
asciilifeform: let's actually do this one
mircea_popescu: that's why i say someone who has the tools to reason deductively should look at it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no logic, just induction.
mircea_popescu: it's a complex set of required blocks of allocable memory, and the hope that kernel allocates them correctly.
asciilifeform: the scratch space used for the verification is allocated on the stack ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc. << word. not a scalar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am curious as to the logic of this inference.
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain 367851 is the best block to do it on.
mircea_popescu: if someone new to low level stuff is eager to do some useful spec work, feel free to examine this issue.
mircea_popescu: the kernel thinks it has memory, the program thinks it was allocated memory, the verification fails and the process cycles indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can actually unwedge it. i am satisfied the problem here is a subtle memory issue (not directly related to the bdb locks thing). specifically, to verify block 367851 bitcoind needs a certain amount of CONTIGUOUS memory. but it doesn't know this.
asciilifeform: (either that, or tell me where the buries treazurez are!)
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu ought to get busy teaching his pets cpp
asciilifeform: unless i somehow stumble across buried treasure, etc., it will have to be nailed by someone who is not me.
asciilifeform: i must also remind people that, sadly, these days i do not have anything close to the amount of time and energy needed to properly nail this thing.
asciilifeform: punkman: what i ended up doing was manually combing the code for 'what gets eaten but never shat', and found the block index to be the obvious culprit.
asciilifeform: punkman: later i created a mechanism to measure only consumption from within the process proper, but i did not have time to turn this into a plot.
asciilifeform: punkman: it appears to come from liberated ram no longer needed for disk cache
punkman: asciilifeform: why the sharp dropoff in that picture?
asciilifeform: useless, garbage number, anyone who claims to have a calculated value for it is lying or utterly illiterate
asciilifeform: btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc.
asciilifeform: for all the good it did, re: pogo...
asciilifeform: at one time there was a '3' - glibc-free, static, rom-burnable bitcoind. but we have it now.
asciilifeform: i put an obscene and prolly unjustifiable amount of sweat into narrowing down the causes of the misery to 1 and 2.
asciilifeform: JUST FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING BLKINDEX
asciilifeform: (and then some)
asciilifeform: we can't have the thing occupying the entirety of ram.
asciilifeform: ('2' shows the behaviour of a deterministically-syncing (from disk: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html -- (!!!) node. the block index grows linearly, ~300 byte per block.) this is entirely undigestible on a pogo.
asciilifeform: 1) hard-limited, value-weighted tx mempool
asciilifeform: pogo is pending on two undone things:
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind
asciilifeform: rewinding to, ☟︎
asciilifeform: (phoundation's header-first-sync thing is not a node...!)
asciilifeform: realize that nobody but us (and the quasi-mythical 'smart miners') are running full nodes now.
mircea_popescu: we utterly need those pogos deployed already.
mircea_popescu: at least part of the shitgnome objective ("make it impossible for random derp to run full node") will succeed within less than a year, if not actually successful enough already.
asciilifeform: (and so simply ends up wasting time spent on reconnecting)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but you realise, i am doing this deliberately.
mircea_popescu: this thing is ever more friable, year after year.
asciilifeform: yes, nominally the thing is a p2p gadget, this oughta work, no? but in reality, yer cooking with gutter oil
asciilifeform realized that this question is auto-answerable
asciilifeform: how long have you sat there ?
mircea_popescu: just like back in the day.
mircea_popescu: etc, the works.
mircea_popescu: i just managed to reproduce the wedge AGAIN