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trinque: so then, perhaps *I* own a computer and he may use it via gossipd if he doesn'
t piss me off
mircea_popescu: trinque but that wouldn'
t be a "general purpose" item would it ?
trinque: "all the fun shit is happening in there and you can'
t come"
mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference at work between situation 1. "i'll explain what he did AND I KNOW he'll apologize" and 2. "i won'
t even explain because i know he won'
t even understand".
mircea_popescu: the only problem being, of course, that the cure to living among idiots is to stop living among idiots, it can'
t be resolved with some sort of peculiar computing choice or other.
mircea_popescu: no but i don'
t say to disparage. i say to explain. for him, this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: they ACTUALLY are "well i can'
t tHI?NK about this bs!"
mircea_popescu: imagine that, he found bugs in my fucking client, and i mean that plural. yet... in the end... he can'
t work with it because he's from windows, and the requirements that puts on him are not merely "well you gotta convert to sql for mysql"
mircea_popescu: today, they are. they will not be able to support this. no matter what you do, they aren'
t smart enough for it.
trinque: "can'
t even cons in hardware on x86; how is it open?"
mircea_popescu: you don'
t know what to measure, because open means, definitionally, exactly this.
mircea_popescu: which is why people in 1800 could live well "writing for the newspaper" and ditzy sluts today can'
t.
phf: well, we don'
t have a definition, i don'
t think "we" have ever arrived at a point where definition can be provided. what constitutes a general purpose computer, which are necessary/unnecessary parts. i'm reading 80s vlsi papers and it's all up in the air. should there be math coprocessor or bake it right into cpu, etc. etc. and then you have a "microcomputer revolution", when bill/steve start selling this shit to masses
mircea_popescu: understand : just because you don'
t get to have "general purpose hole", it is not automatically thereby proven "enemy gets black hole"
phf: sure, i don'
t myself grok the cause. i'm more saying that 80s general purpose computer is a time and place kind of phenomenon
phf: so i couldn'
t care less
mircea_popescu: i can see why it's in the geek ethos. i can'
t see why i should care.
mircea_popescu: phf i don'
t see how that is different from, "you buy fruit juicer, you can'
t play dos games on it". yes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. let it be, ~nobody cares about ddos. it is expensive enough to engage in and we really don'
t gas.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don'
t believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can'
t boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn'
t be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
mircea_popescu: yes i reckon if they manage this, pulling themselves into orbit can'
t be far behind
mircea_popescu: Bradley R. Smith <brad@cse.ucsc.edu>; Mike Kisser <mtronics@uni.de>; Mike Kisser <mtronics@gmx.net>; Mike Kisser <Mike.Kisser@
T-Online.de>; Mike Kisser <mtronics_scs@geocities.com>; Robert Staszewski <monopole@aol.com>; Doc Tomoe <Doc.Tomoe@gmx.de>; Stefan Roehrich <sr@stefan.lake.de>; Sven Martinek <Sven.Martinek@gmx.net>; Sven Martinek <Sven.Martinek@tu-berlin.de>; Sven Martinek <svenmartinek@earthling.net>; Sven Martine
trinque: I ended up writing CL because I got drunk at ben_vulpes' shop one night; knew of it but hadn'
t bothered with it yet.
mircea_popescu: so blair would like an audience. fine. good. i didn'
t wet my bed as a child.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don'
t credit his "man needs the herd" nonsense worth halfpence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he clearly didn'
t like physics in school.
mircea_popescu: insurance didn'
t want to pay, wtf it's not meteoric. "hey they came from the sky"
BingoBoingo: If you want to start a fiat business your first expense isn'
t insurance it is a lawnmower.
trinque: sorry, *there is a minimum expense involved in running a business and you can'
t get around that fact.
trinque: wtf is a business if you can'
t pay a few grand to a lawyer per month?
mircea_popescu: look, the dilemma here isn'
t "either i be eunuch or else i go fight for odin as a berserker"
mircea_popescu: "i didn'
t expect solid items to be where the atmosphere goes"
mircea_popescu: point stands : if you aren'
t a businessman, and don'
t have business skills, why are you starting a business ?
mircea_popescu: he decided to do this incredibly idiotic thing after which didn'
t want to pay the slap on the wrist penalty that attaches to doing incredibly idiotic thing ?
mircea_popescu: but in general - not that i expect this to be practically useful to anyone, as it isn'
t without the rest of the tools involved - the matter hinges on that fine thin line when liability can be personally attached. once you can start going after individuals rather than their precious "government" construct in the abstract, they pop like watermelons in august.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anybody, and why isn'
t this just some text config file somewhere.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 00:46 phf: oh i understand. it's like the cl mode. they've been fighting cl mode for years, without success, because it's hellof useful. not only has cl mode now been replaced with cl-lib which prefixes ~everything~ with cl- (cl-first, cl-defstruct, cl-fuck-your-mother) but they also disabled highlight of all the cl forms. so cl-defstruct highlights, defstruct doesn'
t. to discourage the sins of the flesh, y'see.
phf: for example i don'
t quite grok why can'
t press low density vlsi at home. seems like all or nothing kind of proposition.
phf: some problems are probably better solvable than others, can perhaps build a st-506<->sd gadget in garage, can'
t do same with the cpu
phf: i didn'
t realize it until you said it, and it's fucking hilarious, because i'd mock the strategy elsewhere
phf: oh i understand. it's like the cl mode. they've been fighting cl mode for years, without success, because it's hellof useful. not only has cl mode now been replaced with cl-lib which prefixes ~everything~ with cl- (cl-first, cl-defstruct, cl-fuck-your-mother) but they also disabled highlight of all the cl forms. so cl-defstruct highlights, defstruct doesn'
t. to discourage the sins of the flesh, y'see.
☟︎ shinohai: It probably isn'
t ben_vulpes just the first language that came to mind.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: i don'
t know on what basis you think this is relevant to any particular programming language
mats: semen didn'
t work out so gud since i was unemployed and, you know, not-white, not-six-foot, etc
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 21:25 mircea_popescu: and for that matter i've yet to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don'
t gpg sign the address"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter i've yet to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don'
t gpg sign the address"
☟︎ midnightmagic: The payment protocol thingy Gavin did *can have* also the property of saving signed invoices for the client including such information but nobody cares and there hasn'
t been a high-profile use of the PP where a dispute ensued.
midnightmagic: ted, to prove "hey, this is the address they gave me, now they're saying they didn'
t receive anything but look at this txid."
midnightmagic: fwiw, I don'
t have much of an opinion one way or another. If I went into it knowing this were the case, I could find it very useful to have this property in my transactions with, say MPEX. But for, say, a *deposit address* on a webpage for an exchange, I *would* want non-repudiability as per, say, TLS message authentication extension in RFC .. hrm. That RFC where it's defined but was never implemen
midnightmagic: On the other hand, this way copumpkin -- I think -- can state things about the transaction that can'
t be known and nobody can say different. And MP for that matter, which reduces the transaction to trust.
midnightmagic: I *think* the OTR protocol uses a revealed MAC between the parties *but more crucially, a stream cipher for malleable encryption* so that at explicit termination of the conversation neither party can claim later that the other one definitely wrote something specific in the log of each. The deniable authentication protocol therein doesn'
t reveal it to the public -- only to the other party. Publically
mircea_popescu: the occurence of things that can'
t happen always takes place in april.
mircea_popescu: of course i wasn'
t thinking of pig iron, rather, one of the fiberglass / ceramic sorta things with high magnetic dust included.
mircea_popescu: you can sign any amount of withdrawals you want for any arbitrary funds you don'
t have. it proves exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: all possible views that don'
t conform can take a hike.
copumpkin: if you don'
t honor a withdrawal, that's different
copumpkin: I'm saying that it's fine if you don'
t honor a sell order of mine
mircea_popescu: this "that's fine" device, lolz. what's it supposed to accomplish ? you can'
t set aside what i say.
mircea_popescu: there's degrees there. the guarantee you're offered is that you won'
t be losing your balance ; not that you won'
t have orders lost.
copumpkin: "look, mircea said he received my sell order, but now he's claiming he didn'
t"
mircea_popescu: a) "too late" for what ; b) if there's an old slip of yours, it either has an address that was paid in it or not. if it does, then it doens'
t matter ; if it doesn'
t, you have a claim.
copumpkin: "Your withdrawal request has been received and will be processed. Note that all withdrawals are verified manually, and they may take up to 48 hours for approval. If 48 hours have ellapsed and you still haven'
t received your bitcoins please contact mircea_popescu in #bitcoin-assets. Note that if your account at the time of processing holds fewer BTC than your withdrawal, this order will be executed up to that limit. Also, please
phf: mircea_popescu: i don'
t think so, since moses was a man on a mission from god, it would be a distraction for him (from the mission) to choose to become a magi, hence the story
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell trinque the problem with deedbot being offline is that i am forced into the dilemma of either turn ben_vulpes req for voice down, or else voice people outside of the model. i don'
t like either horn, at all.
mircea_popescu: there's a deep reason that works, and that deep reason is that these aren'
t whole men.
mircea_popescu: didn'
t he have a webbegging page up for a new engine back when the lulz at him started ?