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chonkin: Im' GPG-keying with
this bot right now.. and I will dig up
the citations when I get around
to it in a few minutes. So hold
tight
chonkin: And
there are actual pages of his writing where he says
this
chonkin: Karl Marx goes -- hol 'up ---
the feudal class hiearchy persists in capitalism with armed
thugs protecting
the landlord's cache of capital. e.g. "the police"
chonkin: mircea_popescu
The idea was
that democracy and republicanism replaced
the monarchies and rigid class of
the fuedal period.
mircea_popescu: you understand
this,
the peons ~can not be said
to substantially eixst~!
they aren't fucking here in any sense.
chonkin: But
this is more like serve
the muscled landlords and protect
the muscled landlord's property.
mircea_popescu: i must say
though
that
this "heroic policemen" item smacks me of old soviet union narratives. you speak russian chonkin ?
chonkin: mircea_popescu
This sounds almost like verbatim pages out of Karl Marx.
BingoBoingo: US police pointedly do not protect "property" in
the general sense. Ambitious College bound urban youth steals your bike. What follows is police steal
the bike from
the stealing kid,
then sell your bike at auction.
mircea_popescu: much like a restaurant's "waiters" are
the remnant of what used
to be
the lords' servants following
them around, only mutualized, so is
the police.
mircea_popescu: chonkin,
that "the police" is
the name for
this historical institution consisting of
the muscle lords pooled
together is
the plainest reality.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> chonkin,
this seems
to me sheer animism. for
the same money
there's shared ethos in all furniture, "because of
the wood". if you must, as a literary exercise, why not. << Powder post beetles are a
thing
chonkin: mircea_popescu Okay
then
they are government
thugs who protect property
then.
chonkin: "I put my livecs on
the line for" "I sacrafice for" etc
mircea_popescu: it carries no particular relation with reality,
though.
mircea_popescu: chonkin,
this seems
to me sheer animism. for
the same money
there's shared ethos in all furniture, "because of
the wood". if you must, as a literary exercise, why not.
chonkin: Not "thugs who protect propery of
the bourgeoisie" but "Hero protectors"
mircea_popescu: this and
that are
the same
thing : groups of cows go moo! moo!
mircea_popescu: according
to
the "deeply held ethical notions" of south koreans currently living, sleeping with a fan on will lead
to suffocation
through
the fan's "consuming of
the oxygen".
chonkin: mircea_popescu Could you admit
to some shared cultural ethos
that elevates
the Policeman Superhero
to a person who reaches beyond
themselves ina "call of duty"
to "put
their lives on
the line" for
the protection fo such-and-such
mircea_popescu: this is not a
topic of study, as per libermann. it is a
topic of stupid.
mircea_popescu: in a large enough collection of cows, be
they bipedal or otherwise,
there will occasionally be perceived synchronized mooing
chonkin: The law does not coincide with
their deeply-held ethical framework here. (Cant
think of a better word)
chonkin: The law does not coincide with
their deeply-held ethical reactions here.
mircea_popescu: for
the same money you're going
to
take ballots from "the collective stars" at night. what collective ?
mircea_popescu: i dispute
there ever can be such a
thing as a meaningful "collective" declared after
the fact.
chonkin: mircea_popescu
The outcry from
the public over
the sherrif's hiding in
their cars while a school was shot up indicates
that
there is, at
the least, a wound
to people's collective conscience.
mircea_popescu: you see some substantial difference between marx and any of
the chautauqua retards, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: well,
the reason'd be
that i
think it's inconsequential nonsense. marx, ziggler, joseph smith, whatever ustarded self-help authors are broadly speaking irrelevant in any conversation.
chonkin: mircea_popescu No I
think it is more accurate
to say
that you are attempting
to distance yourself from any kind of marxism at all for ______ (insert some unspoken reason)
mircea_popescu: the fact
that
the police exists
to protect
the powerful from
the maraudingly idiotic is unrelated
to marxism, and well predates it.
mircea_popescu: but
this is like saying
the color red has "some coca cola in it", because "coca cola uses red as part of its xmas nonsense". so ?
chonkin: Marxism suggests
the police exist
to protect property, not people
chonkin: But yeh,
there is a little flavoring of Marx in
the idea
that police exist
to corall and control
the underclass. Flavorings
that sort of rise ot
teh
top of
the bowl and stick
to
the outer edges
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 19:28 asciilifeform: remember,
this was
the country where a man got 20 yrs for being found with a shoelace and a semiauto
chonkin: They can sit in
their cars playing sudoku while a kid
turns a high school into swiss cheese with his AR-15
chonkin: The counter argument
to
this cynical indictment of modern socity
that police are
there
to "keep
the proletariat in check" is
to say, "No! Police are brave proud protectors of
the public who put
their lives on
the line
to blah blah blah and serve and protect and be Superman and Marvel Superheroes against
the forces of evil and crime!"
mircea_popescu: im not sure what
the problem is.
the police is organised by
the king, and yes, its function is
the maintenance of
the kingdom in order from
the king's pov.
chonkin: Now
take
that conclusion and put it in a bowl and mix with a beater until a fine foam is formed ---> [14:38] <+mircea_popescu> amusingly enough,
that's not even false. i'm sure
they're arrested more,
the fucking function of police is
to keep
the underclass in check. wtf else are cops for
than
to arrest
the poor ? and well, in
the us blacks are usually it.
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mircea_popescu: well, yes.
the matter still stands, police aren't held
to specifically do anything.
there's a lengthy string of cases going way past
the 70s.
chonkin: Lawyers explain in
their special language
that
the police ON DUTY POLICE OFFICERS WITH BADGES AND GUNS are under "no legal obligation
to protect anyone from harm even when
they are aware it is happening"
chonkin: People cried foul in anger and betrayal.
They wanted
the cowardly sherrif deputies
to be "Charged with somehting" "Derilecion of duty." "Suspend and de-badge!" et cetera
chonkin: They hid safely in
the parking lot.
chonkin: School shooting. When : Feb 14. 2018 Where : Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in Parkland, Florida. Who: Fully-badged sheriff deputies. Four in
total. On duty.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-24 18:48 BingoBoingo lives in a city where motorcycle marines patrol
the riverwalk
chonkin: so vis-a-vis : [14:38] <+mircea_popescu> amusingly enough,
that's not even false. i'm sure
they're arrested more,
the fucking function of police is
to keep
the underclass in check. wtf else are cops for
than
to arrest
the poor ? and well, in
the us blacks are usually it.
BingoBoingo lives in a city where motorcycle marines patrol
the riverwalk
☟︎ chonkin: Then
the lawyers showed up. "Nope. No crime. He is not legally obligated
to protect."
mircea_popescu: chonkin, point still remains, security guards aren't
there
to get involved in shootouts.
chonkin: People wanted
to
the cowardly cop hiding in
teh parking lot
to be *charged with something* Derliction of duty. Something.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Your b was
the Las Vegas one
mircea_popescu: so yeah. hiding in car is actually
the official policy ; and for good reason at
that.
mircea_popescu: well, a) mall cops aren't cops,
they're security guards and b)
the hotel security guard who pestered
that guy in florida pretty much generated
the shooting.
chonkin: The first reaction was "What a coward! How could he!" et cetera. After
the emotional fire subsided
to embers it was "Didn't
that cop have an obligation
to go in
there and engage in
teh shooter?"
then it was ---
BingoBoingo: I
though he was a full fledged sheriff's deputy
that couldn't even be a mall cop
chonkin: This
topic was revived againg recently when a mall cop hid outside in his car during a school shooting.
chonkin: Have you heard about
the key court cases where it was legally shown
that cops are under no legal obligation
to
the protect anyone from harm?
chonkin: [14:38] <+mircea_popescu> amusingly enough,
that's not even false. i'm sure
they're arrested more,
the fucking function of police is
to keep
the underclass in check. wtf else are cops for
than
to arrest
the poor ? and well, in
the us blacks are usually it.
BingoBoingo: <chonkin>
They could have just rolled in with atank and wasted
the kid with a .50 cal << Bad optics. Gotta act startled when you shoot or you become just another inmate instead of a guard with vacation
time.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one
to break doors, gates; one
to
threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one
to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage
that arrestee -might- be permitted
to surrender into, if
the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
chonkin: They could have just rolled in with atank and wasted
the kid with a .50 cal
chonkin: they were like aiming for
the kid with
their pistols as
their arms are like coming out of
the windows
chonkin: The 12 year old black boy with
the plastic gun in
teh park.
Those cops vehicle had not come
to afull stop, and
they had flun open
the doors and where opening fire before
their bodies had even really gotten out of
the door
chonkin: The man in wal-mart was standing in a composed and lazy body position, pointing an airgun at
the floor in
the catfood isle.
Talking on a callphone. And
they jsut closed distance and murdered him cold.
BingoBoingo: Or
they could have
though "If I
talk he's going
to
talk back and
that's work. If I shoot I get
two weeks of paid leave"
chonkin: No "you are surrouned". No "hands up
this is
the police" None of
that.
Target was identified and *eliminated*. Dispatched.
chonkin: I made some facebook memes about both incidences.
They cops basically said "This is bravo 6
to HQ. We have identified
the hostile
target in our AOR." "Roger
that, bravo 6. You are cleared
to engage." "Roger." RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT . " He's down!
Target is down! Cease fire!"
chonkin: IN neither video was any attempt made
to converse or 'engange with'
the person.
They just closed distance like soldier and opened fire
BingoBoingo: Well, idly and inattentively brandishing
things
that look like arms is dangerous just about anyware.
chonkin: White* police officers closed distance on
the "scary black man with
the gun" and murdered him
chonkin: A man was standing in a wal-mart holding an air gun he had grabbed from
the shelf. He was standing in
the cat food isle with said airgun pointed at
the floor, and
talking on a cellphone.
chonkin: The police rolled into
there,
targeted him and just murdered him flat out
chonkin: The park was empty.. other
than said kid
mircea_popescu: sovok police mostly arrested georgians,
too. cuz not every wanna-be bank robber can end up stalin, what.
chonkin: There was a 12 year old black boy playing with a plastic gun in a park.
There was a light dusting of snow on
the ground
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough,
that's not even false. i'm sure
they're arrested more,
the fucking function of police is
to keep
the underclass in check. wtf else are cops for
than
to arrest
the poor ? and well, in
the us blacks are usually it.
chonkin: BingoBoingo
The "narrative" outside
this chat room.. a mere mile outside it -- is
that blacks do not commit more crime... rather
they are "arrested more by racist cops"
mircea_popescu: yeah he has a point. chonkin get yourself a pgp key, a blog,
the works. gotta do
things right yes.
BingoBoingo: chonkin: Well,
that's why we're here and not
those other places.
mircea_popescu: the republic is famous as
the last repository of human
thought, yes.
chonkin: OUtside
this chatroom, you can't even state
the possibility
that urban black youth commit more crime
than
their white counterparts.
mircea_popescu: "'Zounds, sir, you are one of
those
that will not serve God, if
the devil bid you. Because we come
to do you service and you
think we are ruffians, you'll have your daughter covered with a Barbary horse; you'll have your nephews neigh
to you; you'll have coursers for cousins and gennets for germans." an' all
that.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but
there's also
the important question of who gets
to stab.