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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated
gabriel_laddel: e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. << explain ?
gabriel_laddel: if they'd just get out of the way, it would be a lot of fun.
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:43:46; asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293808 << you never stood next to tanks moving hqave you. ☝︎
asciilifeform: travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing
asciilifeform: (the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened
asciilifeform: at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing.
asciilifeform: gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D
mircea_popescu: the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye"
mircea_popescu: the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293780 << unless one is actually building a fortress, it is a better plan to keep distriburted, redundant, cheap to set up living and work spaces. ☝︎
asciilifeform: can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293747 << didja pull a "i'm taking it. you two can stay." ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too!
asciilifeform: well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled
asciilifeform: from my readings, most of them just wanted out.
mircea_popescu: ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me.
asciilifeform: what's the point of island without these !
mircea_popescu: yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme.
mircea_popescu: The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment again! This life can be your own!
asciilifeform: al is almost a tree, operates in nearly geological time.
asciilifeform: he eventually answered my mail, did i ever say. promised to dig out pgp key.
mircea_popescu: "Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys,
mircea_popescu: There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial, logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series expansion modalities.
asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd.
mircea_popescu: same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool.
asciilifeform: aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract.
asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of the thing, has been mostly ignoring it since day 1
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off".
mircea_popescu: (from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" series)
asciilifeform: is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ?
mircea_popescu: it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill.
asciilifeform: it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths
mircea_popescu: internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space.
asciilifeform: which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind.
mircea_popescu: also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl.
asciilifeform: i'd like to go there one day.
asciilifeform: granted, on some planet these are separable.
mircea_popescu: also, three ring binder management is not a good representative of management.
mircea_popescu: the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability.
mircea_popescu: exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows.
asciilifeform: exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time.
asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: taking advantage of sociocultural shifts that made such masquerade feasible.
mircea_popescu: to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one.
mircea_popescu: let's move it to literature.
mircea_popescu: i'd say the jury's still out on this one.,
asciilifeform: not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense.
asciilifeform: but they happen. and not in private industry, either, except on embezzled time
asciilifeform: macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with moving there!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter.
asciilifeform: (he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known)
asciilifeform: and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions
asciilifeform: even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this
mircea_popescu: the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic.
asciilifeform: the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized.
mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example, ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems.
mircea_popescu: so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat.
mircea_popescu: it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the walls of the world.
mircea_popescu: currently it could be fair to say we have a large lump of peat bog math.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT.
mircea_popescu: right for a definition of right that didn't even exist pre 2015.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: consider russel&whitehead's thing. but done right.
mircea_popescu: it's in teh logs.
mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem." ☟︎
asciilifeform did a long tour of duty in empirical lab bio at u.s. nih while a schoolboy
mircea_popescu has never been involved in the field, some minor amateur interest, and the math.
asciilifeform: and i worked at two separate 'pharms', separated by some years
asciilifeform: well i personally never smelled the mice
mircea_popescu: oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me
mircea_popescu: anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: what did you eat, glacial toluene ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used to eat with this.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with you!
mircea_popescu: dude this guy has read everything
mircea_popescu: you think linux is in bad shape, that just means you don't know enough math.
gabriel_laddel: could you elaborate or point me to some lit?
mircea_popescu: the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences"
mircea_popescu: all people, too.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the models being shit is because of the von-n bottleneck, no?
asciilifeform: mainly on account of the models being shit.
asciilifeform: meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293720 << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines.