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mircea_popescu: this is a not-negotiable point, bitcoin is the currency of the republic, and payments will be made in it. let allcomers figure out how to buy the bitcoin they absolutely need.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:40 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the fundamental reason i didn't say no to uy (in preference of say, hk) is specifically that asia has a bw problem.
mircea_popescu: (this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: The bandwidth cost if the pipe is anything close to filled is comprable to Brazil where they bill bandwidth off the pipe on a percentage transfer scheme and beats Asia where they bill extortionately for data that crosses borders
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783525 << the problem is not really the bw in the sense of a limitation, can get as much installed as you want. the prices he's paying there are not terrible for what he gets. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: history. it's a wonderful thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, not perfect but servicable. Cuning enough to extract a decent living here outta the orcs while waiting to return to the Dental profession.
asciilifeform: he had a previous name. what was it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how you hodling up ? << I guess the other big lesson is that in a bit more than two months, this weekend has shown that I made at least one servicable friend here
asciilifeform: iirc fella mostly lurks, but quietly runs a trb node, obtained a FG ( but afaik not yet written any study of it, no blog yet ) , is literate tho
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 10:58 ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783476 << crowdsourced middle management is a rather terrible idea ; are you familiar with say the potemkin rebellion, or generally the early (properly soviet) phase of russian revolution ? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Gotta have a live intelligence to reflect against, to get the relief outta being honest
BingoBoingo: Finding someone here to do Step 5 with here was a challenge for that reason.
asciilifeform: this particular observation ( mircea_popescu had a 'liars can't invent' article ) i found fascinating and tried several times to write a piece in application re particular historic charlatans , but failed to say anyffingnew
mircea_popescu: orc can't be honest. not because doesn't want to or anything, but because honesty requires a live intelligence.
mircea_popescu: they're fuckups altogether, as a substance not as a coincidental, environment-driven property.
mircea_popescu: then you discover muslims don't know how to fuck, either, and realise that no, being an orc is a very substantial thing. it's not just foreign / neologistic items they fuck up.
mircea_popescu: it's funny what parts turn out rotten/unreliable huh. you'd think there's nothing intrinsically orc about AA, it's a fundamental human thing, how could they botch it ?!
BingoBoingo: But with the IspWish... With a mircea_popescu venture I had a good idea I was playing with a knife. I have a lot of uncertainty what a mod6, ben_vulpes, alf coalition offers that mircea_popescu didn't other than padding and yet to be determined quality of middle management. If they present an escape plan it would provide a lot of comfort.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One day at a time. This has been good for my AA basics even if the local AA seems more cargo cult as my spanish improves.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, im gonna make it a coupla times a week. and even read logs now and again.
mircea_popescu: a ty
mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783451 << very much that exactly. the pantsuit rides on a high and mighty horse of "oh, capitalists don't account for ALL the externalities", hence its trojan horse of "environmentalism", because mind you that people making the civilisation run haven't in their ledger of costs and benefits a line for the obscure pondfish of extinction, and this, while epsilon, IS TILL NOT ZERO!!! concerntrol ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/asfixion/ << Trilema - A[s]fixion
diana_coman: mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 17:25 mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783593 << I think I'm in a similar boat as you, but I've just been lucky not to run into the kraken (http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/#selection-343.191-347.68). My luck will run out eventually though. ☝︎
lobbes: yeah ave1, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Foundation is two guys who each have a distinct identity that can be impaled by the forum's punishment gazette at any time. I fail to see the pantsuit properties of the solution
ben_vulpes: what, we release a trb that steals your coins and somehow nobody is to blame? get real
ave1: If it is a failure, no one is to blame
ave1: Now if it is a success, we have this powerfull *foundation* (with rules and bylaws etc etc)
asciilifeform: in lulz*2, the last link in 1st para of 'rs-16' goes to a ... 'This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.'
asciilifeform: ( author also of e.g. http://interim-os.com and a few other interesting nuggets )
asciilifeform: 'RS-16 has a single-tasking "operating system" whose source fits on a few pages of paper and is easily understandable by anyone who speaks C. The operating system only implements the functions that you need for editing text, crypto and transferring files. It lives in ROM and cannot run programs from disk, eliminating a range of attack vectors.'
asciilifeform: this of course is not a surprise to folx who actually read. but still fun.
mod6: heheh. so you're saying do this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1VeEL/?raw=true : a few thosand times and create a graph of the differences in the timings
asciilifeform: right, but ideally you want a few thou of these, and a correlation calc
asciilifeform: not 'a bit' but fully 2x toosmall
mod6: yah, i thought they might be a bit small. lemme see what I can do.
asciilifeform: !A .~#
mod6: ooh, ok lemme give that a shot.
asciilifeform: !A .0~#
asciilifeform: !A ".0~#"
asciilifeform: so lessay you want a Mbit of 0xFF.....
asciilifeform: a pro seekrit : you can pipe ffacalc output to base64 -d
asciilifeform: this is a deterministic test. ffacalc is made deliberately to permit one.
asciilifeform: ( you can substitute a file for the /dev/whateverthefuck )
asciilifeform: mod6: your timing result is not yet proof that you have such a box; gotta compare a static 'random' consisting of 00000.... and one of FFFF ...
asciilifeform: aaand it looks like we have a 'winner' :
asciilifeform: !A ??``*[print (0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#[)]
asciilifeform: !A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#
asciilifeform: !A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#
asciilifeform: who knows, 20y from nao , a different asciilifeform will meet a different mircea_popescu and they will look for a sane numeric lib and ~find~ one, instead of sitting for 4y without...
asciilifeform: ( let's to hope he has a bell that rings when called... asciilifeform at one time did )
mod6: We hope, to retain Mr. Popescu as a customer, as well as ``Minigame'', S.MG, so known.
BingoBoingo: Is this a takeover?
ben_vulpes: somehow lobbes trinque phf asciilifeform can run bots without the republican isp but all of a sudden shinohai cannot?
mod6: !~ later tell jurov Please to ping me as soon as you get a chance.
mod6: !~later tell jurov Please to ping me as soon as you get a chance.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/ << Bingo Blog - A Summary Of BBisp Activity
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:41 mod6: i use a few for various things.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783544 << fwiw I will certainly purchase/use a bbisp vps as well. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( if someone believes this equation to contain a mistake -- i would like to hear about it asap )
asciilifeform: the rough measure appears to be, if l1 is good for 0.5 btc / mo. ( at the current rate) -- bisp runs. if rate loses a 0 -- it turns into 5. if grows a 0 -- becomes 0.05 .
diana_coman: yes, how big is not a head count strictly of course; put it as how powerful if that is clearer ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dare i ask if you have a theory of how a bisp could stay in the black without taking heathen coin ?
diana_coman: but I suppose asciilifeform's obv is correct in that a.2 is missing still
diana_coman: fwiw I am certainly interested in being a customer of TMSR ISP but I've been waiting and waiting to see concrete offers; being a bit on the other side of the world doesn't help much re moving iron there either but presumably at some point I can even get that sorted in some way; if there is some ISP to get sorted to, of course
asciilifeform: l1 appears good for a certain amount of raw verticalspace rental. but not the 0.5btc's worth (at current usd rate) required to keep op in the black
mod6: i use a few for various things. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this
diana_coman: and apparently you can supply a.1; missing a.2
diana_coman: so a.1 is technical capable person a.2 business capable person
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform is able to supply (a) . problem is (b)
diana_coman: phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location
ben_vulpes: yeah, it was a bit further up, "~1.8k monthly of rack rental buy side floating around"
phf: ben_vulpes: didn't you lose a $1000 then, it works out to 2741/mo
ben_vulpes: neglecting shared hosting, and again waving hands at a sales rate on vps slicen of 10/mo and zero churn etc, thing could hit breakeven on the rack alone sometime in august
BingoBoingo: ave1: At this point the journey to here is documented in existing blog posts, there is no harm in collecting that data into a single larger post for the convenience not only of people who might be considering taking on this particular effort, but for those who may want to undertake their own as well.
ave1: BingoBoingo: read carefully these are not requests but suggestions, I even left some out. Also, at this point you still have a partner and I do not know your arrangements, so check before publishing what might be important / secret business operational data.
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing the initial subscription of just rack space comes to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us to breakeven" deal slicing up one of the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in the grand scheme of things, but the tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against this)
phf: TomServo: it's critical only in a sense that the immediate opportunity was squandered, but right now most important is to provide bb with enough fiat to stay afloat, next requirement is to provide bb with enough fiat to pay dc fees, because those two are the ones that are going to shut down the operation
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 23:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782932 << the only point to my eyes is that someone fucked in the head enough to run something they call "datacenter" without one ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from three twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business" through taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of their own palms.
TomServo: Sucks, I think getting that gear there was a critical piece.
BingoBoingo to shut up for a bit and compile as much of the ave1 requested material together into a blog and explore the possibility of making arrangements for a Dentist to follow the BingoBoingo camp to old country.
BingoBoingo: That being said for my health I would like a proposal that includes the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of
BingoBoingo: lobbes: If necessary BingoBoingo can do some ugly things to keep fed. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783247 Follows from BingoBoingo being a sort of religious fanatic ideologically aligned with the Republic, even if my inexperience and inability to effectively self direct are an impediment lords taking over this venture would need to compensate for. ☝︎
lobbes: I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo that is standing in the way in alf's calcs? If that's what it takes I can throw a months worth of food in btc to bb as a one-time gift.  (Though I think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor)
BingoBoingo: TomServo: At this point the discussion looks like it would be a way to get into L1
BingoBoingo: I am re-reading it a few times. Certainly it is helpful in a way that the gabriel_laddel-ism http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 is not
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your ticket wednesday or what was it ? << I was planning on picking it up Thursday if there has been no interest through Wednesday in channel on a takeover mission for this venture. I can extend the timeline a bit, if it is prudent to do so.
ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/ ☟︎
asciilifeform unfortunately is not in a position to relocate to unterraformed shithole .