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a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:50 diana_coman: mod6,
a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more interested in the remaining supplies of fuckgoats; can i get
a quote for 15 of them?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: but do they ? the old serene republic, of venice, died to
a man. and here we are, picking up the weapons
mircea_popescu: they're pretty fucking cool. apparently there's many species, BUT! most of them have
a buzz haircut!
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:15 mod6: Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in
a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference.
shinohai: Bien, gracias. Finally
a nice sunny morning after
a week of clouds and rain.
BingoBoingo: This is
a point. During
a solid chunk of my formative young adult years my brain was somewhat insulated from
a lot of the fiat world crap through having been preserved in cosmoline. And by cosmoline I mean cheap vodka.
mircea_popescu: so nsa doesn't in this sense have the same sort of problem. it's
a crisis of faith not of management.
mircea_popescu: there's
a fundamental difference there bb, in that isp is
a thing whereas most of what we're making is noit
a thing. making
a thing requires following the recipe, whereas making not-yet-
a-thing is basically figuring out
a recipe.
BingoBoingo: temperment problem in asciilifeform resisting direction or
a middle manager's eyes glossing over and slacking the discipline after glimpses of tech that isn't shit.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:05 mircea_popescu: the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm
a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need
a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i think it's sufficiently self-obvious that nobody wants more crappy items. we've enough of those around to last
a century. but i also won't sit still while being railroaded into
a false choice between crappy items and never items ; if for no other reason then because too many people depend on me being at least slightly smarter than that.
mircea_popescu: what fucking short order, the end of
a five year plan is nigh on in sight! by
a cool account he's not gotten better at it, arguably he's even gotten worse at it, wut the everloving fuck do ?! tell me, and make sense while doing the telling!
mircea_popescu: originally i was going to just call it off, have it liquidated and so on. because yes eventually it has to come to this, nsa was started on the premise that "here is
a talented engineer who evidently has little ability to take direction or manage himself, but which we're construing as due to poor prior context and expect will remedy itself, by itself, in short order".
mircea_popescu: so no, how about we don't discuss the random nonsense some 9yo captive inside stan would in his panicked despair have us rather occupy ourselves with. instead, exactly in trinque's practical terms : what the fuck am i going to do with
a s.nsa resting on the clavicle of
a grown man with 9yo shoulders!
mircea_popescu: suffice to point out that evidently enough the whole binome as described is adaptive rather than designed. and it MUST be examined, and it must be repaired, rather than indulging in just as childish deflection. o noes, ~i~ of all people want to drive s.nsa into
a wall, fancy that wonder!
mircea_popescu: the other issue is that the exacting standards part of the binome aren't exacting to
a ~rational~ standard, they're exacting to
a psychogenic standard. he's perfectly willing to take steps to alienproof his sub because he's seen alien pirates board
a sub in
a B movie once, that's the standard, what he can ~imagine~ occuring, not so much what he has good reason to believe may occur.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784630 << i think this isn't
a satisfactory description of the issue for two reasons. one is that the man doesn't have merely very exacting standards, but
a binome of which half is exacting standards and the other half is looser than
a crack whore's butthole.
☝︎ trinque: hanbot: I apologize for snapping at you. I think ben_vulpes and mod6 are doing
a great thing coming in to try and save the project.
hanbot: mod6 at some point many years ago i had
a tracker to keep track of my trackers. hang in there.
hanbot: trinque not only is it
a problem of how to jam it in, but who's job is it?
hanbot: mod6 i think that's
a great idea. i dunno about comfort (and i'm not asking for it, nor is it anyone else's to give me), but it'd certainly add some clarity, and keep things accountable.
mod6: hanbot: I can't speak for asciilifeform and make him state things. But, perhaps if we kept
a public calendar of what is happening when, might give the public some comfort that tasks are getting completed on time.
trinque: because he's the type that apparently cannot dishonor himself by e.g. shipping
a less-than-alf fuckgoats
trinque: not
a pointed question, an honest one
mod6: I mean look, here's an example: I waited like nearly 4 years for an FG. But he delivered, and it works. It's
a marvel, this FG. I think the fact that we have it, and it works, is more important than how long it took to realize.
mod6: Because he said he would. And asciilifeform has done
a lot for us over the years. Invaluable things. Dispite, failures. I've failed too, hopefully I'm getting better also.
hanbot: sure, but given recent refusal to meet deadlines, why would
a given customer expect to receive reliable service?
mod6: Quite frankly, and I hope BB doesn't mind me saying so, we kinda needed to even talk him into it. I think he was in quite
a state of dismay at the whole thing. And I find it appropriate that we did that.
trinque: earlier diana_coman's bitching they didn't define the day-old business venture. now you're bitching they didn't tell you why they chose that definition,
a few hours later.
trinque: so leaving alf aside, when two folks dive on this boondoggle of
a business venture to right it, we're going to suspect their methods and forget their long reputations?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 15:22 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as
a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management.
trinque: I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what,
a day in?) is premature.
☟︎ trinque: appears to me the gents are getting things together for
a clear, coherent offering.
☟︎ hanbot: uld've extended to asciilifeform as well, but after
a week + of stubborn refusal to admit wrongdoing or show any signs of work towards avoiding said wrongdoing in the future, i'd be acting ---very irresponsibly--- if i let my admiration of the man and his past work (or my dislike of the discord lately) obfuscate
a serious, present, problem. anyway, looking forward to reading the communications, assuming those are still coming. if not, the questio
hanbot: <ben_vulpes> attn all, here's
a draft of the new articles of organization for what was BISP:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away << cool, thanks for posting. so: i would very much like to support bbisp/Pizarro, and I think it's great the foundation picked this up. while i think the particulars will likely prove challenging, i would have no problem putting faith, time, etc behind mod6 and ben_vulpes.
a few weeks ago, that wo
TomServo: Ah, looking brighter now.. oldest just finished
a 3-day visit at Children's with pneumonia.
BingoBoingo: From the story it sounded worse than the picture I sent her looked. I will see if I can get pictures. of the repair. Damned ice cream cones full of dulche de leche with
a hard chocolate shell.
BingoBoingo: Well it appears to be
a rebreak of an area that broke when I was younger. Had some bonded ceramic patch and
a chunk of that still seems attached.
BingoBoingo: So I broke
a tooth today. Will get to see how good
a dentist la Venezolana is Monday.
ben_vulpes to waltz around in the sun for
a few minutes, will digest comments async
ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with
a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes << Living in the hostel, you observe this
a lot.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 << I still think that this assumption, which you seem to be basing your current actions on, is
a flawed assumption. But whatever, I'll still tune in to (and try to assist with, if assistance wanted) whatever asciilifeform (and ben_vuples mod6 and co.) produce.
A split republic is still better than none as far as my individual fitness is concerned. Just... dumb.
☝︎ lobbes: Dick-pulling aside, it seems there is Schism 2.0 happening (which I think is fucking retarded but okay). Are there going to be two republics now or wat? This goes beyond
a mere ISP, hence hard to enumerate the future.
diana_coman: mod6 I support tmsr isp but atm I am at
a loss as to what it is and how to actually support it
mod6: But I'll not sit by and watch
a bunch of in-fighting embarrass all the hardwork and effort we've put in. I'd rather burn out, than fade away.
mod6: I'll repeat myself: If you want
a republic to exist, and you believe the foundation to be
a good thing, support us. I've given seven years. Maybe it's time for someone who knows better than ole mod6.
mod6: trinque: I think you'd be
a suitable replacement for me.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the only way I can follow that is as purely ideal "republic as
a notion" etc. perhaps true but not particularly... effective let's say
diana_coman: mod6,
a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked?
☟︎ trinque: republic's
a social mechanism. kid with his toys by himself is not
a republic
mod6: diana_coman: I don't see how
a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs
a fresh start.
lobbes: can regain again, what! You contribute
a lot, that does not evaporate
mod6: diana_coman: All of this is in the logs, and on trilema "Don't have time to be
a mommy", et. al.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:51 lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is
a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be
a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
lobbes: Not just ISP venture, but Republic as
a whole.
A mind with experience like mircea_popescu's comes along very infrequently. I.e. "resources" in my earlier comment refer to moar than just capital >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784360 ☝︎ mod6: On
a personal note, regarding "patience and support", I want to let it be known that it will be very hard if not impossible to make the ISP venture
a success without the support of specficially, mircea_popescu, hanbot, diana_coman - and ``Minigame''. We need your business here.
mod6: Anyways, carrying on here, we are working on
a plan. We ask for your patience, and support.
trinque has spoken to ben_vulpes about having
a box on the first provisioning run
trinque thinks this is
a fine thing
mod6: Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in
a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference.
☝︎☟︎ trinque: I am not tarnishing my reputation by the wallet operating as anything other than
a mechanism.
hanbot: sten. it's not
a pretty place, and i have no idea why you'd want to live there.
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784373 >> part and parcel of the problem of people on tilt is that they are quite convinced they're not. asciilifeform : you are digging yourself ever-deeper into
a hole for the sake of your having missed your own deadline. you're of course welcome to ignore me and everyone else --trying to help you out-- (esp. trinque's imo excellent "assessment" this morning), thereby joining the ranks of those who wouldn't li
☝︎ BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as
a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased
a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be
a back-seat driver there.
trinque: if you thought it was unneeded or harmful to compile
a list of hardware (not just that you have, but that could be desirable) for bisp, that'd be one thing, and the proper move is to respond with that
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, but it'd be
a foolhardy operator indeed who expected customers to underwrite bonds
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite
a credit crunch for the item. because "well, let's send bbisp
a box" "what if they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..."
mircea_popescu: in other news my grapefruit, natural etcetera mouthwash now has
a "gluten free" sticker added.
lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is
a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be
a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 you are talking to
a man who spent his time dicking about and as
a result is getting delorded.
lobbes: Normally I wouldn't say anything (not really my bznz) but I have
a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn
a lot from the guy and he has done important work, what)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased
a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be
a back-seat driver there.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious
a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway. as he points out, not really much skin off my back either way. but consider that on one hand you're not exactly private investors there, seeing how fwiu you've involved the foundation's capital actually ? so you're stuck to some measure of public dealing an' tranparency as'd befit such
a lofty entity in its first actual commitment ? and on the other hand, bbisp kinda depends on good public perception.
ben_vulpes: we've made commitments to each other; if those are reneged upon the whole world goes up in
a bonfire of negrating.