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jurov: under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just
trying misc around
mircea_popescu: or
the discussion of
the "poor entrepreneurs" and
their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?
jurov: asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is
try
to piggyback bots into existing client
mircea_popescu: mats you recall
the discussion of
the "poor
tenants" and
their proclivity
to focus on a single measure
to be lied
to ?
mats: i don't have a reason i can
table for scrutiny, just intuition --
there has been a lot of great work done in recent past
that makes it possible
to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?
phf: asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2
to build out of
the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way
to fix
the issue is
to build objc files with clang and
then link it against gcc produced parts.
the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize
phf: asciilifeform: only if you're
trying
to be lazy :>
mircea_popescu: No, I'm a dummy.
The purpose of universities is
to suck up Stafford loan money. And
the purpose of journals is
to mark
territory, more money in
that, like a corporation
that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND
THE POPULAR PRESS."
mircea_popescu: "Exactly. So you should have sent it
to
the physicists. You know,
the ones who work a building over in
the same university
that you do.
That was
the whole reason for universities, right?
phf: i
think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce
the
two
to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're
than potentially
touching in memory objects with methods
that have incompatible expectations about what
the memory layout of
the object actually is
phf: jurov: my impression is
that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making
the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going
through source and fixing it
to conform
to clang's expectations.
jurov: and did you end up with something
that can be released?
jurov: there are multiple ways
to "fix
the source"
to make ld export symbols,
too. but i did not find
the right one yet...
phf: jurov: making llvm eat
the whole is a better way
to preserve sanity, because
then you're dealing with fixing source, rather
then hunting down opaque binary issues.
phf: jurov: oh i gave up
trying
to mix
the
two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues
trying
to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.
mircea_popescu: more on point : is
there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?
jurov: mats: you say "there is a curve"... is
there any serious reason or data supporting
the notion it has maximum where you
think it is?
mats: then you should know i respect
the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about
the fabric of
the universe, aside.
jurov: it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all
together, ended always in private section
jurov: wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld
to place it as exported symbol in
that euclient.so, dunno why
jurov: phf i did not even
try llvm
to eat it whole. first i wanted
to
try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link
that one
to interpreter
phf: jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang,
there might be some insight in
the patches. specifically i go
the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary
to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.
mats: idk why you'd
think
that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform be
that as it may, each and every markslord is more
than free
to use his resources whichever way he pleases.
mats: those of means,
that understand how
to layer without creating as many bugs
than were presumed
to have been squashed
mats: security isn't for
the incompetent and poor, yes
mats: this is
the 'we know where
the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if
they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu:
the dispute is deeper
than
that. he just doesn't want
to work
towards fixing
the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo
this is also fine,
that's why
there's
two of you, so you can be in
two places at
the same
time.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise
the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked,
they use kits like everybody else in
the game.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in
this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper
than
that. he just doesn't want
to work
towards fixing
the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo
this is also fine,
that's why
there's
two of you, so you can be in
two places at
the same
time.
☟︎ mats: look: i get
the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set
to 10, however...
mats: this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on?
then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets.
then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous
to bring it back
to 'but we gotta raise
the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting
to mention
that in ALL OF
THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other
than usg'
pete_dushenski: mats you're
too cool
to recognise/fellate your betters ?
mats: in
this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
☟︎ pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in
trilema article in last 6 months
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in
this crapsack world in which
the implementation of
the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms
to literally produce baby viande as per
the modest proposal, it is discovered
that ringworm infection of
the abdomen in 2nd
trimester females results in
tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.
pete_dushenski: man, b-a
time infused with parenting
time is straight
trippy
assbot: The goldfish
telling
the great white shark what life’s like in
the ocean, and other logical fallacies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1N6pIga )
mircea_popescu: this.
they
thing "oh, patria si buitres no", "soberania" blablabla.
then
talk football and peronismo. and don't matter. and it's ok, because
THEIR FRIENDS see
them as people.
mircea_popescu: "Let's
take all
this at face value. Is he entitled? Delusional? I don't doubt for a moment he sincerely believes he is a lawyer, because lawyer for him isn't a profession or even a job, it's a label, a code word for a kind of intellectualism he wants for himself. As long as "all of my friends see me as..." it was well worth
the cost. He didn't study
to become an attorney, he bought a back-up identity." << exactly
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:14:25; asciilifeform: it is in fact
the very definition of sabotage.
mircea_popescu: funyn
thing being
that
they seem blisfully unaware of
this.
mircea_popescu: i ocasionally encounter derps living
the delusions of
the foregoing, who i
threaten and
they go away.
mircea_popescu: i have yet
to have met any argentine in any sort of position of power or relevancy of any kind whatsoever.
pete_dushenski: like every accounting office here, like every
teller at every bank here, yes.
pete_dushenski: except arg doesn't have huge inflows of productive immigrants
that usistan does. so ima bet on a different fate, similarity in lawyer pestilence aside.
mircea_popescu: someone should go into fucking middle east
to be blown
to bits by really angry men,
to protect
this pasty ass' dumbass notions of reality.
this is worth doing.
mircea_popescu: He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back
to work. "It could be worse," he says. "It's not like
they can put me jail."
mircea_popescu: "Bank bailouts, company bailouts -- I don't know, we're
the generation of bailouts," he says in a hallway during a break from his Peak Discovery job. "And like,
this debt of mine is just sort of, it's a little illusory. I feel like at some point, I'll negotiate it away, or
they won't collect it."
mircea_popescu: Unless, somehow,
the debt just goes away. Another of Mr. Wallerstein's
techniques for remaining cool in a serious financial pickle: believe
that
the pickle might somehow disappear.
mircea_popescu: everyone in argentina is a lawyer btw. im
telling you,
this country is
the logical conclusion of
that country.
mircea_popescu: "They understand I'm in a lot of debt, but I've done something
they feel
they could never do and
the respect and admiration is important." [my edit: he isn't actually practicing law.]"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski
this is where i go "had he spent
the 350k on bitcoin in 2011, he'd have a little over 500k-1.5mn a year now"
pete_dushenski: because corporate lawyers work 80 hours a week and sop up
their
tears with $500k - $1.5 mn a year.
mircea_popescu: "It's a prestige
thing," he says. "I'm an attorney. All of my friends see me as a person
they look up
to."
mircea_popescu: MR. WALLERSTEIN, for his part, is not complaining. Once you
throw in
the intangibles of having a J.D., he says, he is one of law schools' satisfied customers.
pete_dushenski: so
the skools let raving idjits in and suckered
them for everything
the banks were dumb enough
to loan
them
mircea_popescu: sure, my hos regularly get
two bedroom,
two bathroom apts, provided a)
they're good at what
they do and b) live in pairs or
triples.
mircea_popescu: He lives with his fiancee who is "unperturbed by his dizzying collection of i.o.u.'s." She doesn't want him
to get a corporate law job because (take a sip first): "we like hanging out
together." Carly, another unemployed law graduate explains, "I guess I kind of assumed
that someone would hook me up with something." I'm sure she felt she deserved it."
mircea_popescu: all on borrowed money.
There were cost-of-living loans, and
tuition of about $33,000 a year. Later came a $15,000 loan
to cover months of studying for
the bar.
mircea_popescu: "WHEN Mr. Wallerstein started at
Thomas Jefferson, he was in no mood for austerity. He borrowed so much
that before
the start of his first semester he nearly put a down payment on a $350,000
two-bedroom,
two-bath condo, figuring
that
the investment would earn a profit by
the
time he graduated. ...Mr. Wallerstein rented a spacious apartment. He also spent a month studying in
the South of France and a month in Prague --