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punkman: trinque:
the urls should be in
the database, it was base58-encoded sha256 hashes
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform
tries, fails,
to recall
the name of
the british prof who had himself embalmed and wheeled into faculty meetings long after his death << Bentham
phf: i
thought at mgu
they just self-embalm, как завещал тов ленин
phf: otherwise no relation
to stanford
phf: i just assume
that knuth stays in millenarian maths, periodically comming out
to
talk about generative Organ music
phf: in any case
that's, so far,
the best option i found for keeping
the evils of c at a slight distance. at least interested parties can read and inspect
the code, without skipping
tricky parts
mircea_popescu: whjat i mean by "best practices sorta
thing" : nobody;'s going
to hang you if you don't do it, but should seriously consider doing it.
phf: it doesn't necessarily has
to be particularly intrusive, i've looked at some of his "hacks", and
they are very lightly annotated, but
the partitioning still makes more sense
that
the direct flow of a c file
phf: i like
that
the end result can be wholly signed and produces a spiffy dvi for printing
mircea_popescu: obviously if you break
the principle you break
the principle.
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
the only case where a "source is
the spec" could be excused, is properly written knuth c.
mircea_popescu is rather partial
to
the concept of "god damned it source code should be written in essay form what is
this machine serving bs"
trinque: jurov: links in
the declaration and qntra piece are afaik pointing
to
the right place, pending punkman's indication on how
to generate
the values he was using for URLs
phf: knuth literate
thing, yes,
the
translator produces c files with relevant bits interpolated
phf: not
the best examples, i agree :>
phf: it's a
tried and
true strategy, original javascript has been done
that way. i recently learned
that
that's
the way dot-net garbage collector was written
mircea_popescu: if you end in
this situation where you have a beautiful prototype and a buggy implementation people are going
to hate you.
mircea_popescu: write it in lua if
that's genuinely what works for you.
mircea_popescu: phf you're not required
to agree
to
this inasmuch as you're using your own
time & hands.
phf: i'm pretty bad a dijkstra programming, i need
to see
the system behave
to reason clearly about it, and c is not it. besides
the
translation is
the
tirvial part
mircea_popescu: so gossipd is practically going
to be lisp hand-compiled ot c ?
phf: as far as lisp, yeah, not practical for deployment, but i started getting bogged down in
trivial serialization questions, before i understand clearly how
the whole system is supposed
to work. once i get
the spec as is up, i want
to start working
through
those comments
to modify it into a udp lower level system. in any case lisp is better option for gossip prototype, because
the spec is so open ended
mircea_popescu: if we manage
to avoid
the insane state of importing openssl bondogle
to do crypto we're so far ahead of
the game...
phf: asciilifeform: gpgme doesn't exactly "calls out", it
talks
to gpg via a
text protocol, but i agree with your overall point. gossip has a fixed set of crypto operations,
that can be abstracted, until you finish your crypto state machine gizmo.
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense
the design is sane, as he has it. callout
to "gpg",
to be replaced by p
trinque: punkman: what did
those values in
the URL stand for, and I can just regenerate
them from what I pulled from your sqlite
mircea_popescu: but i want it
to be one
thing and everyone statically links IT
mircea_popescu: they'll, if nothing else, help us understand
the api
to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
they're not a dead end for
the following reason :
the P must be a stand-alone building block anyway.
mod6: maybe it was
the charter
mircea_popescu: publish a prototype, im sure alf will be more
than happy
to look
through it, plenty other people will
test it etc.
mircea_popescu: re
the meat : all of
these are major projects,
the expectation, imo reasonable, is
that whoever decides
to work on one starts by publishing code, which will vehehehery likely need refactoring perhaps even redesign. because we're here shooting in
the dark. so rather
than managerial idiocy, i much prefer somnething like how v worked out.
mod6: might be worth a look
to see what's what
there.
mod6: yeah, i don't recall. i had
thought
that maybe
that deed was intended
to point at
the
treasurers doc since it has
the foundation donation address in
there.
trinque: mod6: ah, ok. and
the one in
the body of
the article is
this one?
mod6: eh, i
think
that was supposed
to point at
the
treasurers document
phf: support of gpgme.
the bindings come standard with gpgme release, but what's
there was not updated since 2008. officially artifex is still working on
that, but i
take it nobody's heard from him in a while?
phf: i have some code for gossipd, i'm going
to by
the spec
that's published on
trilema, rather
then follow up conversation about udp and first packet validation. i wrote enough in c
to be able
to prime gpg machinery and send packets over
the wire (which basically coveres
things
that i wasn't sure how
to do before i started),
then i switched
to common lisp
to get a prototype up. what came out of
that so far is updated bindings for lisp
phf: which brings me
to
the point
that i have folders for all but "make new hardware" item in
that list of b-a scope in various states of disarray, and it would be great if
there was some prioritization, like it was
the case with eulora "oh we need
this done, you do it".
☟︎ phf: mircea_popescu: sorry about not picking up mushrooms, right after i finished
the port, i did a move
to DC area, and
then, after few days, left for a
trade show, which i just came back from. i started working on a
text only client for eulora, but i didn't get far enough
to claim my items with it.
BingoBoingo: Trump can't actually win. No such
thing as electoral bankruptcy law.
mircea_popescu: they better be spending half
the day on knees praying mr
toupe wins, because if he does
there won't be power vacuum for young corporal/painter
to
take over.
BingoBoingo: Though
the US Presidency hasn't been a win in a long
time
BingoBoingo: It's looking like
the only way
the 'Murican left survives
to 2020 is a Ben Carson or
Ted Cruz win.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Might go
to bed early
tonight for
the Monday Funday drama
BingoBoingo: Socialists are realizing
the MayoGendered are ruining
their ObolaCare experienc
BingoBoingo: But
that now only
typically gets as violent as
the occasional vandalism or isolated mugging/curb stomping
BingoBoingo: I guess,
though some of
the US sports rivalries carry over sentiment from border skirmishes like Missouri/Kansas
assbot: Logged on 09-11-2015 02:40:47; BingoBoingo: A lotta bipeds
take
the sports
thing pretty srs in spite of alf's protests
BingoBoingo: The University system is probably going
to get a black president, drunk white kids will keep being drunk white kids, and
that's
that
BingoBoingo: Seriously
the
two episodes which
triggered
this were drunk white kids who said "nigger". Fighting
that is like fighting entropy. It's just going
to keep happening.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: movie43 has a bit on
that as well.
BingoBoingo: Classes weren't happening? Eh, no big deal. Having
to field a white football
team? Holy shit
the sky is falling!
BingoBoingo: A lotta bipeds
take
the sports
thing pretty srs in spite of alf's protests
☟︎ assbot: Latest on Mizzou: Board of Curators
to meet Monday, no football practice, students continue protest : News ... (
http://bit.ly/1HoMkat )
shinohai: I'm fairly certain
that in my quest for anal penetration I could find a device decidely less splintery, but
to each
their own.
ben_vulpes: hah!
the lengths
to which some people will go.