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assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:49:39; asciilifeform: shinohai:
thing is,
the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and
the former is meaningless without
the latter) and so neither you nor i have
the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect
to. ever.
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want
to see someone else's more.
To do so, call
this command with
that person's nick.
phf: multilevel as in specs out from framebuffer up, rather
then single slice, which is what x11 widget libraries are. clim is more like framebuffer+x11+xlib+qt+"a kind of application"
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible
to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered
to
the standard.
mircea_popescu: they usually faint and lose any memories from
the past hour.
mircea_popescu: i suspect
the google hiring of
turds a la hearn and a whole raft of others
to be specifically intetional.
mircea_popescu: " and
then you look at
the code and it's
the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." <<
there's more
than one ways
to go about fucking over
the competition.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:49:28; phf: punkman: it's really experimental
technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared
to spend large fraction of your
time on improving and debugging
the gui code itself.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:47:01; ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of
those 'look i wrote a
thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no
time
to maintain it'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odd
that
the idiot horde can keep SOME
things frozen in
time.
mircea_popescu: because check it out, once it needed
to open up an interface autocad did exactly what gimp did.
mircea_popescu: which is why pre-ba, all people i knew
that knew what lisp was knew it was "oh, scripting language. pretty nifty."
mircea_popescu: i don't mean hobbist projects, owned and managed by
the v ery enthusiast in question. i mean shops. with management
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:44:35; asciilifeform: may as well go in
the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp
turd.
gabriel_laddel: adlai: if you
think computer graphics are in anyway useful -> CLIM. Else, have fun
trying
to map
the notion of a "presentation"
to emacs
text (see
the magit and org-mode sources).
gabriel_laddel: They'll need
to "export"
the data
to .csv, in a button press have an email drafted for
them with
the attached file using data selected using a slider etc
gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment
that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of
the information it reads.
The requirement is
that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I said "parenscript" earlier and meant "paredit".
Time for coffee.
gabriel_laddel: !s
the
translator did not miss
them,
they were not
there
BingoBoingo:
The official confirmed an audio recording, punctuated by gunshots, in which an officer asks: "Where is your boyfriend?" and she responds angrily: "He's not my boyfriend!"
Then loud bangs are heard.
BingoBoingo:
Three police officials have
told
the Associated Press
that a woman who died in
the police raid was Abaaoud's cousin. One said
the woman, Hasna Aitboulahcen, is believed
to have detonated a suicide vest Wednesday in
the building after a brief conversation with police officers.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I
tend
to swing like a monkey on
the enclosing characters with evil's % and add/remove
them myself
gabriel_laddel: CLIMACS (ugh, needs a new name) has "structure editing" facilities, but I've not bound
them yet.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I used
to use parenscript, but cannot speak
to smart parens.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol, I've put off learning
ternary specifically so I don't end as one of
those "homeless math people".
gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of
time into it (and got it working) only
to realize
that I don't want
to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is.
☟︎ trinque: but
then, if you already have it's not as
though I wouldn't look at it
trinque: nah, I'm not convinced I'd gain anything from
that
gabriel_laddel: in other masamune news - I'm working on automating
the entire build right now.
trinque: yeah
taking it easy, haven't seen
them in about
two years; I'm in no rush
gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes
the move-in? I saw
that you're still living with family?
gabriel_laddel: phf: sort of related - I put
together a new McCLIM website with fancy screenshots
shinohai: I have only
tried connecting
to listed nodes on
the wiki ... was connecting
to mp's node before
that Ukranian bs
punkman: "Should you find yourself in a chronically-leaking boat, energy devoted
to changing vessels is likely
to be more productive
than energy devoted
to patching leaks."
phf: i
think maybe it's worthwhile
to patch
the logger so it doesn't report until
the client actually does a read/write. if you do a port scan on yourself, will have same effect
jurov: something like
that happened when i
tried it
to connect
to 0.11
trinque: whaack: what do you say you get a bouncer or set your client
to not autojoin if you're going
to come and go often?
phf: well, in
that respect cmucl is a decent litmus
test. every single package
that fails
to load from quicklisp (named-readtables is
the recent offender)
turns out
to be a
turd on a closer inspection
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 04:43:54; mircea_popescu: anyway, you know
those stories about how rich guy heard
the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ?
phf: oh,
that's coconuts, but you still don't want
to
touch
them, since
the sanitation no longer works
ben_vulpes: there is a local in
the corner selling finely sculpted figurines of knuth
that appear
to be made of poop
ben_vulpes has wandered into a 'temple', most of
the gems are missing and
the walls are covered in graffiti
ben_vulpes: i found a "webserver" recently whose instantiation blocked
the REPL.
phf: (read
the asdf3 code and ioup or whatever
that package is called in your spare
time and wheep)
ben_vulpes is seeing
the rot in webtech
takeover of cl
phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high
traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and
there's a lot of senseless
turd polishing in
the past few years. broken interfaces for
the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and
then you look at
the code and it's
the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.
☟︎ phf: also
there's less eyes on cmucl, i'm not at all convinced
that
the politics around sbcl are
to my liking, where's cmucl is essentially abandonware. it generates code, it has a nice interpreter,
the runtime is smaller, it already has
treeshaker, it's got History, etc.