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netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: that's a valid reason currently
deedbot: adlai rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << likely impostor until verified otherwise, still needs a bouncer; otoh, talks plenty smart.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to dan weinreb (who died a couplea years ago; was one of the key smbx folx, and then -- much later -- also the orbitz air tickets thing) wrote (on his www, that is now vanished, though archive.org might have snapshot),
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, i intend to finish the hardcopy of hacker's delight that landed in my life before properly digesting the links you sent me, but out of politeness, i will skim them first.
adlai: mircea_popescu: iiuc qpx is the ~one~ proggy google did not rewrite in blub after it landed in their laps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the air tickets thing -- worx, i've used it many times, fwiw.
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: protip, don't drink and rate
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down adlai.
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: what is a use?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they bought it (acquihire) for ~$1B
adlai hopes gabriel_laddel_p has no dead line in mind ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: https://web.williams.edu/Mathematics/sjmiller/public_html/105Sp10/addcomments/Hayes_ThirdBase.htm
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: read my lisp: arch linux
a111: Logged on 2015-05-23 06:52 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, entertaining the thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from the foregoing, then the correct move is to build your masamune on musl and attach a license that forbids the empire (such as for instance the trb license ; or else one stating to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such thing). this will mostly protect you both technically
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598536 << the btcbase logs run on lisp for instance. in fact #tmsr is afaik the largest lisp codebase in actual use (ignoring for a moment whatever portions of AWOG alf may wish to bring up).
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p rated Framedragger -10 << useless
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p may not !!down Framedragger.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i really only need it to see when it's highlighted and talk back.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you want an ircbot to play with "now" and migration to trinque's new shiny be damned or do you want to wait for the new shiny?
BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu about maximally long but oh so lulzy
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: something like that. There are a whole slew of issues: the init that Martin ships works fine, but if I substitute my own init - breaks. Among a million other things I have don't understand, such as
mircea_popescu: and in other "bad posture nudity", http://68.media.tumblr.com/aa8ea46ba42d57de36de74c7e0746ddf/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo9_1280.jpg
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: "stick business"? You are referring to the analogy from ascii earlier?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p so what is this stick business, a tailored gentoo + masamune ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes exactly.
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes? ☟︎
netmonk: mircea_popescu: im discovering it
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you may continue to comment on my blog, others may continue to bitch, there is no pleasing everyone
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:26 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune + the ability to replicate it.
mircea_popescu: netmonk did you see ben_vulpes 's lisp implementation of V ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p well, let's put it this way - not a page of symbolics supposedly superb documentation did make it to republican coffers after all.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: idk about that. Symbolics was a different beast with a different set of problems. But then again, I don't know that much about the people involved with Symbolics, so perhaps you are right.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:10 gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 < this is _the_ problem in the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates a sorta-similar environment over the course of years.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:30 gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted to do anything even remotely similar to what I aim to do.
davout: gabriel_laddel_p: i have no interested in taking part in anything for which whatever idiots do or do not do has any kind of bearing
asciilifeform: diana_coman , iirc, tested.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << the gentoo recipe thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: understand that 'this product is not for the public, it is for YOUR VEEERY SPESHUL EYES' patternmatches scamolade.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: yeah, but FUCKGOATS has _lots_ of text, whereas this is a video.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: notice, for example, that complete schematic, cpld, etc. for FUCKGOATS is posted on www.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: consider posting, publicly, the ad film. if this enables 'idiot' to immediately replicate your work, then there was not so much to it, neh ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: entirely leaving aside the particulars of your product, i must confess that i get an impression that gabriel_laddel_p is not himself entirely certain yet how it is that he wants to do business, and with whom, on what terms.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:06 mircea_popescu: subquestion : does teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined to tolerate the exercise ?
asciilifeform: well you did use phrase 'republican pockets' rather than ' gabriel_laddel_p's pockets '
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: you want someone among the people here to work as your sales rep ? or wat
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what do you suppose might happen if idiots were to get hold of a copy ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: it gives an impression that , i suspect, you do not want
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: while we have you on the line, plz consider taking a few min to explain the rationale for 'product is ready for selling' but at the same time 'video is not ready for public eye'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: did you ever get it to the point where it installs on hdd ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: for so long as the x86 idiocy persists, this will remain.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 < this is _the_ problem in the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates a sorta-similar environment over the course of years. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some
netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: you can touch the server if you can fly to paris
Framedragger: whatyougonnado.jpg ; fwiw gabriel_laddel_p i'd lend you a vps for a month for free (i wouldn't have access to it) just so that you'd stop pissing people off, but your call of course
phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some ☟︎
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: get with Framedragger just fix it
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: customization aside, .13 for a year of hosting and .17 for a year of support and reboots?
Framedragger: this one could be titled "the terror of the c machine" http://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ra%C4%8Dunari-1993_03_001.jpg
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you want your code to run on every new message?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: in related occlusions: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f9c61a195d1bb7b6e3ed3a4dcc404f79/tumblr_ohozg1Qm4a1r6pbcio2_500.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip.
mircea_popescu: (i would like to thank the academy, the harem sluts, and phf / ben_vulpes discussions for inspiring me to come this far!)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: counteroffer impending, rescuing dog food from child
trinque: ben_vulpes: so sounds like we should still consider doing the patch for raw messages, such that we don't have to build this atop out-of-date logbot-service
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so therefore considering that you don't have to rewrite trinque's bot nor is a vps more than a few bux a month, dja got a counteroffer ? :D
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean to say "if it gets mircea_popescu to write and think in lisp its a worthwhile use of lines"
asciilifeform: i had this itch 2+ yrs ago but my evil plan was to make it simply eat the collected works of mircea_popescu rather than explicit rules
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah the idea is, bot will attempt to learn from conversation. with, eg, you.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd rather read your experiments in lisp than php
trinque: ben_vulpes: what I do need to do is release logbot-service.genesis
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sql, lisp if you like
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what'd i script it in, lisp ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed
trinque: ^ aka took me a minute to find g_l's reply to me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "if ch approximates an immutable datastruct over the interval lastvisit - currentvisit".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this century 'lisp people' tend to resemble holyromanempire's 'roman people'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: clarify "what moves"?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dunno how mircea_popescu cuts the knot of distinguishing (say, among his pets) 'slow learner' from 'militant ignoramus'
asciilifeform: also gabriel_laddel inspired me to invent new type of aircraft propulsion system. take ordinary house, and SLOWLY & SURELY excavate a few km of earth from underneath it !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik
asciilifeform: you can tell here that gabriel_laddel either does not know, or care, what sort of herculean labour is involved in undoing years of design braindamage
asciilifeform: 'Gentoo can PRACTICALLY be improved by slowly & surely eliminating it from Masamune. There are plenty of people who can, and have written lisp bootloaders. The only problem with this (and all related projects) is that they're incomplete, due to lacking a working lisp environment one can integrate with. People write code using the _stable_ abstractions at hand.'
trinque: can't just talk to wpa_supplicant no
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes thing is, i land on your page, i have no easy way of knowing what moves.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I made the statement here, will wait for the day g_l shows up permanently and raises the thread
trinque must quote asciilifeform to g_l
trinque: this shit where g_l is replying to me in your fucking blog
ben_vulpes: augh gabriel_laddel_p i'm formatting your comment into sanity
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you probably know this but each post has an rss feed for its comments as well
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 11:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance of getting last articles and last comments on your sidebar ?
mircea_popescu: and in other "competing with africa" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d918039dab081143fd78f7b0e4e6b0b/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg
mod6: hola mircea_popescu