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ascii_field: just as perfect (or 'unusable',
take your pick)
today as it was in 1918.
ascii_field: jurov: su state of
the art re: crypto, as far as i can
tell, was ~deadly boring~ - good ol' vernam otp
jurov: it
that why ussr/russia won't fund
the real
thing, either?
ascii_field: 'Providing strong funding for FHE and iO provides risk-free political cover. It supports a storyline
that cloud storage and computing is safe. It helps entrench favored values within
the cryptographic community: speculative,
theory-centric directions. And it helps keep harmless academics who could, if
they got feisty, start
to innovate in more sensitive directions.'
jurov: info like mpex proxies belongs
to wiki or some other discoverable place. but ppl refuse
to put it
there
jurov: it relates nicely
to yest discussion... everyone just comes here
to dump
their mind
kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable
time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear
this up.
☟︎ jurov: okay i was overly dramatic. but .ws is not
there,
that's all
kakobrekla: jurov
that line does not say 'it will stay down forever'
BingoBoingo: One sided dice are used all
the
time at
the poker
table
jurov: i'd like
to see your one-sided dice. something like riemann surface comes
to mind
adlai: but
this is unfair, siliconkin
telekinesis witches can fool
the biasing circuits in
their favor
jurov: also,
the dice must detect presence of mentally challenged persons and adjust accordingly
BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like
their users.
adlai: because provable
transparency
adlai: soon enough, casinos are required
to have debiasing dice, and put
their data dumps in deedbot-
trinque: needs
to be able
to flash
the firmware
too; what if we shipped a bug
jurov: what about adding a debiasing mechanism
to dice? it would measure
the statistics and
try
to correct by moving internal weight around
assbot: FBI's "Suicide Letter"
to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and
the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... (
http://bit.ly/1ImOTKV )
BingoBoingo: Well, for
that you
test with single sided dice.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: can't help but wonder how much he was ~actually~
testing his OCR's defects.
ascii_field: i don't personally expect
to live
to see it come back in any recognizable form.
ascii_field: trinque: microshit, and
the few and feeble weapons which have been built
to put up some sort of fight against it, entirely demolished
the 'healthy commercial software'
thing
trinque: but I'm not going
to base
the definition of
that on "microshit does X"
trinque: ascii_field: yep, what makes for a growing and healthy software industry may not be possible on
this side of
things.
ascii_field: at any rate, i would not mind living in
the 1980s world where serious folks bought support contracts for serious os, etc
trinque: that
the software field was overrun by communists notwithstanding
trinque: this is nonsense; people pay for
technology every day
trinque: blackberry bought
them
to have something
that *makes money*
ascii_field: trinque: did you send your cheque
to SCO yet ?
trinque: not
them, but
the companies
that own
them
ascii_field: wai wut i missed
the memo, we're paying inventors for
things now ?
trinque: nobody invented
the fucking air
trinque: how were
they doing before
trinque: aside from
the WoT aspect
this is exactly what I proposed
phf: franz and lispworks both do source disclosure. i'm pretty sure
the only way franz survives is by having ridiculously low overheads, combined with aggressive licensing policy about
their
technology, some of which doesn't have any equivalents in
the open market.
trinque: Access
to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties, and commercial developers will continue
to pay for QNX Momentics® development seats. However, noncommercial developers, academic faculty members, and qualified partners will be given access
to QNX development
tools and runtime products at no charge.
ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is
that qnx license includes (for a serious bag of dough)
the source.
trinque: I would run something with source disclosed
to me and
those in my WoT
ascii_field: trinque: back
to openbsd, would you personally be willing
to use an os with nonpublic source ?
phf: note
that ccl is used internally by google now, after
they acquired ITA. only way
to get money out of goog is presumably acquihire
ascii_field: even microshit gives away
their compiler
today
trinque: this is not a problem
that can be solved on
the end of a lispworks
phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of
their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying
☟︎ ascii_field: my point was
that it was in a weak position ~for a reason~
trinque: if lispworks was in such a weak position
that one client could purchase
them in
this manner, good for both parties.
ascii_field: the concept of ~paying for~ a programming system is - like it or not - unpalatable
to most folks, incl. what remains of 'serious business'
ascii_field: but it is conceivable
that xanalys was
tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive
☟︎ ascii_field: aaaactually now
that i recall it was franz who charged royalties
ascii_field: and decided
to simply devour
the
tool vendor
ascii_field: who, likely, were simply
tired of paying royalties on
the runtime (yes!)
ascii_field: incidentally, afaik
the last lisp co.
to actually offer
the source code
this way was lispworks,
ascii_field: trinque:
the serious commitment
thing existed when
there was a population of serious people doing serious
things with one another, supported by an actual economy with serious money circulating
jurov: kakobrekla: why? f.mpif did
trade last month
trinque: sounds like
these
things can't exist outside a WoT.
ascii_field: with serious commitment on both sides of
the signing
table.
ascii_field: and
they did not 'sell
the product',
this is a mistaken perception,
they sold ~support contracts~
trinque: if
the market doesn't want nice
things
they don't exist;
that is a cultural problem
ascii_field: trinque: care
to describe for my enlightenment ?
trinque: give source
too; it's a separate question
ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes
to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.
☟︎ ascii_field: evidently
the set of folks 'happy with
the pony
trick' does not include anybody with spare change.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'These days
the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. It seems
to keep shrinking, but I will
try
to keep doing it unless it nears zero; at which point
the artwork will stop also.'
ascii_field: meanwhile, far from
the well-fed world of academitardia,
ascii_field: very lulzy paper, poor academitard has half a brain, more
than most of his colleagues certainly; understands
that he and
the rest are PAID
TO SPAM - but doesn't see whatever could be
the reason why his field is largely dross...
ascii_field: trinque:
typical bureaucrat folk seek only
the holy
trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.
☟︎ trinque: this is a particularly lulzy american myth,
that one only seeks power/control out of fear
ascii_field: real-world attacks. No more emergency upgrades. Limited audience for any minor attack improvements and for replacement crypto.
This is an existential
threat against future crypto research.' If
this is boring crypto, I
think we should go make some.'
ascii_field: 'Dan Bernstein speaks of interesting crypto and boring crypto. Interesting crypto is crypto
that supports plenty of academic papers. Boring crypto is crypto
that simply works, solidly resists attacks, [and] never needs any upgrades." Dan asks, in his
typically flippant way, 'What will happen if
the crypto users convince some crypto researchers
to actually create boring crypto? No more
ascii_field: suspicious. But if people knew everything about me,
they'd see
they had nothing
to fear.
This is
the attitude I have brought
to SIGINT work since
then.''
ascii_field: 'In a 2012 newsletter column, NSA's SIGINT Philosopher, Jacob Weber,
tells us his vision. After failing an NSA lie-detector
test, he says: 'I found myself wishing
that my life would be constantly and completely monitored. It might seem odd
that a self-professed libertarian would wish an Orwellian dystopia on himself, but here was my rationale: If people knew a few
things about me, I might seem
ascii_field: 'The NSA's newsletter in which
this report appears would never again mention
that academic cryptographic community. Nor did any released Snowden-derived document discuss anything of our community. It's as
though we progressed from a band of philosophers worth a few pages of snarky commentary
to an assemblage
too insignificant even for
that.'
ascii_field: 'Of course it hasn't escaped
the notice of intelligence agencies
that
the vast majority of
the academic cryptographic community is unthreateningly engaged. In a declassified
trip-report about Eurocrypt 1992,
the NSA author opines, for example: 'There were no proposals of cryptosystems, no novel cryptanalysis of old designs, even very little on hardware design. I really don't see how
things could have
ascii_field: students at my university, I have observed
that a wish for right livelihood almost never figures into
the employment decisions of undergraduate computer science students. And
this isn't unique
to computer scientists: of
the five most highly ranked websites I found on a Google search of deciding among job offers, not one suggests considering
the institutional goals of
the employer or
the social worth of what
they
ascii_field: 'Never during
the cold war, nor in any of
the subsequent US wars, did US companies have difficulty recruiting or retaining
the hundreds of
thousands of scientists and engineers engaged in building weapons systems. Universities like my own were happy
to add
their support;
the University of California would, for decades, run
the USA's nuclear weapons design laboratories. In nearly 20 years advising
ben_vulpes: lmk when his lizardness does anything like
that
ascii_field: 'All antiquities, moved statues and unprocessed gold bullions are
to be confiscated in
the event
that
they are being passed
through
the border areas
towards
Turkey. And
the confiscated goods are
to be referred
to
the Diwan al-Rikaz office in
the wilaya.... In
the name of God,
the Compassionate,
the Merciful ...
The bearer of
this document is permitted
to procure equipment
to search for gold and register it in
the Diwan
adlai saw a great gif
today, |S|S becomes a dollar and back again
ascii_field: the one
they made 100 american prisoners write in own blood on camera ?