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asciilifeform: esp. since i gotta keep storing it for so long as i care to have any dealing with bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 09:26:17; diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at
asciilifeform: as for the multitude of vtrons, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but i am seeing folks suffer from easily-curable issues that were not present in my original prototype (which, recall, had NO state other than patch/seal/keys working set, and did not use the net, and had the 'origin' command, etc.)
asciilifeform: pile of jewls jewl-rippers tore from their mounts, as was their impulse.
mircea_popescu: the derps making osen treat the scrollback as a wholly separate, contextual-less buffer. it's not "what we just said to this guy"
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:27:50; mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ?
mircea_popescu: and for the record : ACTUAL hasidic jews, as found strictly beyond the pale, were some of the more pleasant folk you coulde ever meet, and greatly informs my tolerance of jews, as well as the tolerance of everyone who's not born past the stupid women line in western europe.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:19; ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390862 << pretty much exactly that. as per https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, it occured to me while i was eating a niels bohr raisin cake (with little electron raisins floating in the batter) that this is how fucking spammers work, too. as discussed here a nujmber of times already.
asciilifeform: and 'post on fb' to these benighted folk is same as voting in the obummer election, etc. - just 'something all civilized do' or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: just, if you want to add a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 09:36:51; diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance)
diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance) ☟︎
diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at ☟︎
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390083 < might be good as a separate utility. cuts down on v.pl dependencies too. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree' ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
asciilifeform: machine that sound EXACTLY as annoying
asciilifeform: about same noise level as sov refrigerator.
pete_dushenski: as played exclusively by the hippies that alf trips over at 'health food store'
mod6: phf: ahh, very cool though. as im sitting here reading sicp im thinking that maybe how i can learn scheme is by writing V in it -- at some point.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: saw that nyooz elsewhere yesterday, also found it odd to classify 'firewall' as 'weapon' but hey, not like words mean things in usistan
mod6: so if ascii's V 'origin' command would take a hash as a parameter then show you the vpatch where it was touched, that would be helpful.
mircea_popescu: so, as they quite aptly say, it's a no brainer.
mircea_popescu: you get about 1 to 5% less mileage per barrel in the 2nd approach, as should be obvious. you neverthelss get 5x the "jobs" and 20 to 50x the imaginary industrial assets.
pete_dushenski: why teddy can't just frame his position as "e30 is even LESS efficient which is good for both corn and oil producers" is anyone's guess. trump owns honesty, apparently.
pete_dushenski: "Because of this EPA wall, the market is currently dominated by low-level ethanol blends, such as “E10” (10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline). That has prevented mid-level ethanol fuels, such as E25 or E30, from widely reaching American consumers. If allowed full market access, mid-level ethanol products like E25 or E30 could prove quite popular with American consumers, who are increasingly concerned
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's not new. It's something that has always been brough up as part of BitBet's marketing for people to submit interesting proposals
ascii_rear: the thing stretches and warps when you so much as fart on it.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390382 << absolute gold standard, nothing else even comes close. SO LONG AS we are talking about aluminum cd. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own.
mod6: but anyway, if we wanna stuff all of that stuff into shit as well, then we need to hack on buildroot to not rsync it -- now we've forked our own.
mod6: just create a 'patches' and '.seals' dir in the same dir as v.pl and you're golden
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:18:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ?
ascii_rear: aha, as i said, it is the smallest known
mircea_popescu: it really should have a name, apparerntly i saved it variously as press.sh vconfig.sh etc
mircea_popescu: museum nodes can be created as a derivative work at any time, they'll be as funky as pornography is. not real sex.
mircea_popescu: well i am unaware of this "cd based security paradigm" as anything other than a chewing-gum and ductape concoction of no practical consequence.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? << yeah, i read your comments earlier on this. part of "battle-ready" to me means not only that it has lordship blessing, but it doesn't break any security paradigms that we m ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yeah. and, of course, the code is the standard, so just read the script as a guide :D
mircea_popescu: i suppose this qualifies as advanced use tho
mod6: same as the makefiles will do.
mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? ☝︎☟︎
mod6: danielpbarron: do you wanna update the wiki as soon as there is a get-able deedbot entry for this?
mod6: <+jurov> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin does not indicate the thing exists at all << this should probably say something separate about V. but the build script grabs it as part of the build & verify proces.
mod6: for the sake of this test, i'll just rename these in my .seals dir as they should be.
asciilifeform: it has good thermal conductivity. i can't make so much as a dent in aluminum foil with 40W co2 tube.
asciilifeform: and what 'cd drivers.' modern drives plug through usb and enumerate as mass storage std.
mircea_popescu: so paper is in this sense the same as --clearsign. a cd is not that, not even remotely.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the value of maintaining the cd as a thing in the world. it can go the way of the celuloid film afaic.
asciilifeform: but as a standard.
mircea_popescu: looky : your design whereby a better water piping system consists of introducing a one foot gap somewhere so people can be employed to run the water across in buckets isn't as brilliant as it seems.
asciilifeform: as in, compiled.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389999 << just as it should be ☝︎
asciilifeform: and 'The timing of Saturday's announcement is slightly awkward for the White House. On Friday, security researcher Ashkan Soltani revealed that he was denied a security clearance to work there as a senior advisor to U.S. CTO Megan Smith. While Soltani declined to speculate on the government's reason to refuse the clearance, he previously worked with the Washington Post on analyzing documents from NSA leaker Edward Snowden.'
asciilifeform: such as: microshit in charge of 'computer education'
mod6: i just haven't focused on that part as much for obv reasons.
phf: ben_vulpes: so actually inside the patch hunks are grouped by files, what i was referring to as hunks are actually per file hunk groups. so in other word the graph is already edge-per-file. i added the labels but it looks dodgy http://glyf.org/tmp/labels1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/labels2.png
asciilifeform: and i still see this is as the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: re: the hardware pr0n link earlier, it is a good example of what i call an ~iridium toilet~ - as DISTINCT from a golden toilet, it is a device that is build with 1) price is no object 2) NOT FOR showing off and playing idiot tlp rolex status games.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the dependencies will EVER change !
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6 and trinque as well << hacking the codebase? << I just build the statically linked bin with rotor via the build-bitcoind script that everyone uses.
asciilifeform: anyway, as with the almost 100 year philips light bulb cartel, nobody who gives a fuck has any proof, nobody with proof - gives a fuck, etc.
asciilifeform: sure as fuck
mircea_popescu: so basically, if 10k people store the blockchain, it takes just as much in hard drive costs to store the damned txn as the miners get for including them.
mircea_popescu: just as teh cannons were blaring.
mircea_popescu: Most intriguing of all, Tsinghua Unigroup, a company spun out of Tsinghua University in Beijing, has emerged in the past year or so as the chosen champion among champions, a Chinese challenger to the mighty Intel. Zhao Weiguo, the firm’s boss, started out herding goats and pigs in Xinjiang, a remote province in north-western China, to where his parents had been exiled in the 1950s, having been labelled as dissidents.
AKWAnalytics: Just some guy. I need to verify ident as AKWAnalytics. My real name is Adam Wyatt.
mircea_popescu: "so as to cease being dependent on foreign supplies." the chinese dream since forever. and they'll get it, too.
ben_vulpes: mod6 and trinque as well
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 01:20:35; mod6: the entire build process is incredibly complex and we need to desperately reduce that compelxity as much as we can.
mod6: you know something that is a lot different participating in TMSR as opposed to any other place i've worked at?
shinohai: mod6: it works as expected for me, maybe I'll draft one up in next couple of days
mircea_popescu: and also, could we bundle a pre-created .conf file with the release ? something to include say all the public trb nodes as -connects and stuff, with a comment to explain to people how to turn it into a public node ?
mod6: shinohai: you use the conf file quite a bit right? does it seem to work "as expected" ?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk
mircea_popescu: minor snags as detailed in logs. but nothing really worth the mention
mircea_popescu: mod6 and in the same vein as prev comment : why does bitcoind end up in /bitcoin/src ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 08:18:57; phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly
mod6: <+trinque> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384068 << I designed the makefiles to take a BUILDER variable, of which there is currently only rotor. ... << for now, as far as I'm concerned, this is totally ok. we'll have to worry about other *nix's after we perfect getting linux x86-64 done with a CD to boot also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 20:34:34; mod6: as soon as i get through the end of this month, a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 08:18:57; phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384068 << I designed the makefiles to take a BUILDER variable, of which there is currently only rotor. perhaps this is the place to add an openbsd builder, which could apply unofficial patches as they are necessary after V press ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 20:34:34; mod6: as soon as i get through the end of this month, a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand.
mod6: i do think, as a republic, we're laying the groundwork for that at some point to be a possibility.
mod6: As soon as we have our new build process in place, and it's sane, and "Works" and "fits in head" and all that, then we'll release.
mod6: that will be my main goal as soon as the SoBA for january is complete.
mod6: the entire build process is incredibly complex and we need to desperately reduce that compelxity as much as we can. ☟︎
mod6: But we should attempt to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.
shinohai: you have my support for as many hours of testing and reporting as needed. o7
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389517 <<< Sadly it seems everyone in America feels entitled to make manufacturers do as they wish. ☝︎
phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk ☟︎☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: my node (the one i started at the same time as Mircea) is still chugging along happily; now at height=367932
mircea_popescu: TomServo yeah it's required if you want to sync, bdb as shipped with original btc croaks on larger blocks
mircea_popescu: heh just as i said that...