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ben_vulpes: is this the sort of thing that *must* be implemented as a fork of the existing chain?
mircea_popescu: not as per doctrine :)
mircea_popescu: technically, as per catholic doctrine, jesus must have been a crypto guy.
mircea_popescu: so basically key expiration as a concept is broken, in that it induces a wrinkle between phenomena and representation.
mod6: so if i get hit by a bus, and alf has signed all the patches, then you're ok as long as you trust alfie. or vice versa.
mod6: I, jurov, am hereby submitting the treasurer's reward in full as my
mod6: i think there is some confusion there. as you saw in the logs.
asciilifeform: convicts with near-zero flight risk. So it's very very strange they offered this to Bridges, and he's an idiot for not wondering WTF was up. Anyways, looks like he fell into the trap. Now they've got him back as well as all the goodies in his "go bag". I'm guessing that "go bag" was the point of the whole excercise.'
jurov: ^to work as intended, the nonce must depend on included transactions in mined block, too
asciilifeform: not so much hated, as didn't see the win
pete_dushenski: "The story behind the workout is almost as good as the workout itself: Coss Marte developed a unique and effective exercise program without the need for any equipment while doing his time. and now he helps you to do yours."
BingoBoingo: One that's not as orthotic as you'll need after pantagruel spends a decade using you as a thing to climb on
pete_dushenski: coincidentally, my golf equipment is almost exactly the same vintage as my computing equipment and i similarly see no benefit to upgrading either.
pete_dushenski: i started around 13yo, peaked in '09 when i won the club championship at one of the two most competitive private clubs in town. only play two, maybe three times a year now as i find it a bit abusive to swing that hard now and can think of a several books i'd rather read with 6 hours of continuous time.
pete_dushenski: it's quite popular here with all ages. my theory is that it has a similar swing plane to hockey, which is the ~most~ popular, and works well as a seasonal alternate.
BingoBoingo: As alf graciously contributed http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
BingoBoingo: Anyways my take on the SSD market is the stuff Samsung is willing to brand as theirs is the safest in a longevity way. Who the fuck knows which is least likely to have evil baked in.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 19:24:59; ascii_butugychag: (as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards)
ascii_butugychag: bitcoin as presently conceived requires random access.
ascii_butugychag: and if pete_dushenski is really asking why there are no 3.5" ones, it is for same reason as why not 5.25
pete_dushenski: aha. good to know as i'm on the hunt for a new node hard drive and, given this, might as well spring for ssd.
mircea_popescu: as far as we know. whatevs. minor point.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 19:29:18; ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3...
BingoBoingo: I suspect this will magically emerge as a surpise on some pseudorandom weekend
ben_vulpes: well polarbeard likes to pretend as though i don't exist until he finally does what i ask, and even then refuses to ping me on the topic.
danielpbarron: (it doesn't matter who actually submits the deed, as long as it's blessed with WoT sig)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the shifting decides that. if you make the shifting very low, mining as an activity seen today disappears altogether - the digest is much more expensive than the hashing.
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3... ☟︎
mod6: so that looks like its doing the right thing, and the log was updated as well.
mircea_popescu: yes usg loves to present "fixes" of this nature. the odds of them making it in are about the same as the odds of obama being smart.
BingoBoingo: <punkman> BingoBoingo: dunno, wasn't that interesting in retrospect << As a general rule cases become far less interesting when pleas happen
mircea_popescu: as long as that delivers this, i see no problem.
punkman: would you have to recalculate the digest to verify any incoming blocks as a node?
ascii_butugychag: i think i have a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as a nanometre.
ascii_butugychag: and the ssd cartel is cackling as we speak, reading this
mircea_popescu: this will be done eventually, as the article says. but not without its costs.
ascii_butugychag: and i can easily go buy 1tb of ram whenever, as can anybody
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag different incentives. as it is now, changing the size doesn't automatically brick all miners.
ascii_butugychag: also keccak has same problem as predecessor, silicon will be baked, we get mining cartels again.
Tasoshi: what I find surprising is that the propaganda video has any persuasive power when it visually shows its settlement system as being very centralised - that is many people connecting to 1 hub/bank...
Tasoshi: as you all remember, all videos about bitcoin were super amateur back then
Tasoshi: You've been deceived by all sorts of scaremongering about abstract concept such as centralised decentralised whatever
Tasoshi: to scale on chain so as to give the security and privacy of onchain transactions to all
mircea_popescu: no it's right as it is.
polarbeard: yes, I need to get used to document stuff, I'll submit as much as I can to the ml if it passes
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general comment : next time start the whole process by designing this. it's a great spot to start!
polarbeard: enumerated as an actual enum?
phf: jurov: v uses hash as a lookup key, so in that sense algo agnostic. you can mix and match as long as from and to hashes linkup
mircea_popescu: as in they'd prolly shoot aliens even faster. so in this sense, the study's useless without looking at what environment those guys operate in.
copypaste: kakobrekla: I'd like to make a request if you have a moment. When I get my OTP from assbot, it sends the header `Content-Type: application/json; charset=utf-8` ... This causes my browser to incorrectly interpret GnuPG documents as JSON, so it spews annoying errors which prevent me from just doing Ctrl-A Ctrl-C...to wit, "There was an error parsing the JSON document. The document may not be
ben_vulpes: which yes, i'd complain of as well
mod6: mine? should have. is basically the same as yours just instead with 'extern int VERSION;'
mircea_popescu: deleuze is exactly a worthless word pusher, trying to do "the x of y" like any silicon valley wanna-be. his "x of the y" is a silly "no identity exists save as a piling-on of differences"
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Until it's BitcoinOS it's a daemon. It's important to refer to it as a number of descriptive things for legacy www reasons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to summarize a century or two of purely french wankery for the benefit of the youthful lisper : what the publish&perish industry did in english on the basis of the bastardized electronic typewriter known as excel is not NEW in any sense, but merely a reimplementation of a traditional french passtime, originally played on more primitive instruments.
ben_vulpes: perhaps reference Bitcoin implementation instead of daemon, as daemon refers to how a process gets handled by whatever nix is handling procs locally
mircea_popescu: the notion of some retard somewhere paying a hundred he actually worked for so as to receive a pdf still makes me chuckle.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no it's not bad, make sure we're ACTUALLY on the same page as opposed to just jointly excited.
ben_vulpes: where c, c' and c'' all depend on b. if i press c, do c' and c'' make it as well?
ben_vulpes: yes i follow, slow as i am
ben_vulpes: as is a
ben_vulpes: eg that `v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch && v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch' must result in the same tree as running the command once.
ben_vulpes: a thing to do might be to leave the genesis press as-is, move the resulting tinyscheme dir into the correct shiva location and then press the rest of the patches reground to reference the shivadir
mircea_popescu: the dom is a wholly client side thing, server just spits out a string as far as it's concerned
mod6: makefiles, as they were submitted to the Mailing List [R.06]
mod6: sometimes when i'm quoteing someone, as opposed to a thing, i'll use `` '' instead.
ben_vulpes: could just as easily be a USG FUD campaign.
ben_vulpes: but digging as far down into the roots of my conclusions as makes sense to dispel ambiguity
mircea_popescu: the miners are mining low-s as is and malleating all high-s and mining them as low-s
mircea_popescu: "is it as possible to turn a grade from 50% to 75% as it is to turn it from 75% to 50%" ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in what sense "just as possible"
ben_vulpes: can someone confirm that it's just as possible to malleate a transaction low->high s as it is to malleate it high->low ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 20:41:16; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391302 lemme see. your beloved gmail marked README as application/octet-stream
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 20:48:02; jurov: asciilifeform: can't you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:42:22; mircea_popescu: just, if you want to add a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also.
jurov: asciilifeform: can't you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg? ☟︎
jurov: ah i see. but you send the clearsigned part as Content-Type: text/plain
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391302 lemme see. your beloved gmail marked README as application/octet-stream ☝︎☟︎
adlai: in the same sense as "eleven rabbis, twelve opinions"
adlai: mircea_popescu: in these early days, when Bitcoin does not yet fully Exist, it seems as though everything is an option. the full shiva vision, as i understand it from recent logs, opens the door to doing exactly that, if some energetic idiot decides it's a good idea
adlai: while you may want missile guidance on board the missile, you might not want the chip fab on board as well
asciilifeform: (i don't work at '10,000 dogs' shops, as a matter of principle)
mircea_popescu: well so then. i don't want 10x as many people that can jump 1m. i want people who can jump 10m now.
mircea_popescu: as the linecount you're digesting increases you don't need more people. you need smarter ones. it's not like if you need one brick carried you hire one lout and ifg you need 10000 you hire 10000. it's like if you want 1kg carried you can use a dog, and if you need 10 tons you gotta learn to speak whale now.
adlai: modern CL (as opposed to the ANSI doorstop) is a tool that evolved from a standard. r5rs is a standard. tinyscheme is a tool. etc etc... vita brevis, but there are at least a couple usable artes
asciilifeform: (the 'llvm is satanic and must die' thing is not as clear-cut as i would like, it is actually MORE readable and hackable than gcc. but i'm allergic, i confess.)
asciilifeform: phf: it does not. worked as shown.
asciilifeform: vtron, in primary mode of operation, is to climb the tree, as high as it can on each branch, operating using the current wotset
mircea_popescu: sure, people may maintain sparkly-clean trees for whatever reason anyway. but in general as to the "main" tree, best avoid both horns of the dilemma and tryt and sit in the middle.
mircea_popescu: well as the great robbie williams one said, "at least now we know"
asciilifeform: http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix << as illustrated by phf
mircea_popescu: which is what "functions" as originally hacked into fortran/basic were supposed to do
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking program is supposed to be written as a tree not as a fucking scroll
mircea_popescu: think of it as a poem.
asciilifeform: as requested.
asciilifeform: there is a sequel, just as riotously fun, 'the seasoned schemer.'
asciilifeform: 'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea
mircea_popescu: takes me straight to "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is."
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is a poorly understood point as of yet at all levels - the clergy and the populace.
asciilifeform: but yes, it fundamentally it violates the principle i stated here as 'nobody gets anything just for showing up, or the flies eat the meat' (see the bastard blocks thread, and the single-packet authentication as elixir against ddos threads)