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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you can turn up as many as you like and mount'em yourself.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: it isn't like they're being used for something useful anywhere else.
mircea_popescu: so it's not a bad thing. but maybe not its time yet.
mircea_popescu: (you have to understand - in principle, the extra maintenance is a mark of both fit in headness and "we really read these patches")
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: surely we can turn up eight of them.
mod6: ok cool. I think an error like that narrows it down pretty good.
mircea_popescu: it's too soon for that, i guess.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the other thing is that my understanding is that the 6216 was never produced in serious quantity
mod6 is a bit worried that we may have to additionally maintain possible changing line numbers.
mod6: mircea_popescu: qq, would you be alright with this error message, as opposed to yours which has a line number in it: printf("ERROR, ECDSA_sign failed in key.h:Sign()");
mircea_popescu: it's in the log!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: btw why do you prefer tabs to 4 spaces?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: fpga is pretty much never mounted in a socket (the low end xilinx cpld, e.g., 95xx series, do come in plcc - but high pin count makes this a bitch)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meh. they're equally stupid, but shouldn't get in the way of anything.
asciilifeform: incidentally there ~was~ once a socket for these (pga299)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Isn't the whole purpose of an FPGA that I can program it in place?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you mount it to a board
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so how do I run a program on one of these things without a socket connection?
ben_vulpes: consistency of code shape is a thing for mortals like myself
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you do understand that these parts don't socket, right ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: to vendor: "if this is the real deal it should be able to run this program [include ascii file here], if it fries, I'm not buying it."
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:59; asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379618 << dunno about this. laborious for certain, and would make the whole thing 10x more likely to 'fit in head'. ☝︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how on earth do you propose to do THAT ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: it should be possible to test them before purchase, right?
asciilifeform: plus the possibility of scam
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the thing i wanted to do would've required several, and i lacked the dough at the time.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the story ends there.
asciilifeform: one antiquarian type offered it, for 400 or so
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: believe or not, i once wrote to the various folks claiming to have the 6216
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 02:01:27; mats: asciilifeform: whats with this dpaste? dropped characters, spelling errors abound
mircea_popescu: the arabs also aren't all that keen.
mircea_popescu: <mats> int'l law: for other people that are not usg. << it's widely reported in ru and chinese. "everyone"
mircea_popescu: whether that may mean gawker or tinder.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the whole shebang's not worth 10mn.
adlai: for the classically-challenged lurkers: it's the last chapter of The Once and Future King, by T. H. White
adlai recommends people read the last submission... rediscovered it while browsing a bathroom bookshelf
thestringpuller: trinque: y u no use trb?
adlai: trinque: thank you for checking
thestringpuller: btcd the go thing?
trinque: adlai: deed should crap when it catches up; if it doesn't I'll be back later to kick it some more
mats: asciilifeform: whats with this dpaste? dropped characters, spelling errors abound ☟︎
BingoBoingo: post updated. Forgot to close it with "Sorry for your loss"
assbot: dpaste: 0SRXEVV: Terrill v. Gawker ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrOFPq )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/0SRXEVV << lulfest
asciilifeform: e.g., 'brothers, we will take washington together, you'll see'
asciilifeform: ^ perhaps only funny to phf and i.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Fi0fDVt7I << oddity of the day.
asciilifeform: mats: usg does not believe in the sovereignty of any other crown anywhere
mats: int'l law: for other people that are not usg.
asciilifeform: no mention of kurt tank in the ^ oddly
mats: why nobody is talking about how usg is actively violating .sy sovereignty, idk
assbot: The Rise and Fall of the Argentine Air Force | Defensionem ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmM5y1 )
mircea_popescu: if i were in that business.
asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu intend to read the winblowz nt source too ?
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with these idiots.
mircea_popescu: " Bitcoin is described by enthusiasts as potentially being bigger than the Internet itself (a claim I can’t seem to understand, considering that Bitcoin is an Internet-powered technology),"
mircea_popescu: it'll have to be read.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 22:12:24; asciilifeform: IF I CAN'T READ IT IN AN EVENING it is a turd
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347815 << thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: as demonstrated by the nano-ecc folks
asciilifeform: not because it was written by hitler, but because the thing is 50x the mass it needs to be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found the prb ecdsa thing quite distasteful
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't think we can not read the wtf is that thing called
mod6: re: entropy topic, perhaps ya, we can do something like this when we have a crypto lib 'eh?
mircea_popescu: now of course, what exactly is the mempool as far as each node is concerned varies, and the miner's nodes especially. so it's an iffy thing. anyway.
mircea_popescu: oldest txn still from the 18th.
mircea_popescu: mod6 spam is roughly 2x what it was yest. only 6.4k or so txn, vs 9k yest, however 65+mb worth
mircea_popescu: well... we also have to eval the new scp251 or w/e package.
asciilifeform: is the only reason i didn't do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this means zapping openssl, realize.
mod6: So yep, pretty much same results as yesterday, althought it is noteable that not passing any flag at all ; no txns were dropped on the floor. They wern't malleated yesterdayr either, so it could have just been lots of spam yesterday or something similar.
mircea_popescu: yet from what i know 99% actually do just that.
mircea_popescu: it is plainly inconceivable anyone uses a wallet for payments and doesn't do this.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and unrelatedly to the "magic numbers" avenue of trb improvement : one obvious anbd cheap hardening for trb would be to allow the user control of entropy source.
mod6: Everything looks ok to me. When not specifying a highs or lows flag, txn went through just fine no malleation. When '-lows' flag was passed, txn went through just fine, no malleation. WHen the '-highs' flag was passed, txns were malleated, as expected.
mod6: i conducted a second live-fire test today with the changes submitted by mircea_popescu & asciilifeform, here are the results: http://dpaste.com/29928TB.txt
pete_dushenski to dinner, appreciates all input this eve.
pete_dushenski: possibly or not possibly, it's the only thing i changed between yesterday and today. and the lag is gone.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: true enough. relatedly, 'tevye' is now running like a champ, keeping up with even asciilifeform's s00perbalticn0de. the difference ? aws banhammer.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 22:07:22; adlai: ok. is there another conf anytime soon?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380303 << bitcoin's too broken this year ☝︎
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Much to be said for the learning value of patch by hand in addition to doing V-presses
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that chick looks like she is eating a lemon or what
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/b888e8335a231a2734ec1eef03379a40/tumblr_mf12tcSGGS1rms8vuo1_1280.jpg << "sorry, we've had some reports of thefts lately"
asciilifeform: somebody here (ben_vulpes?) even learned cpp just for the occasion. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read the patches, though admittedly little code. i'm probably not even competent enough to need gas mask though, so no worries. amor fati.
mircea_popescu: lol wut is this!
asciilifeform: the ultimate authority on what the crock of shit actually does is the selfsame crock of shit.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: observe that even mircea_popescu has put on the apocalyptic gas mask and reads.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i must agree with BingoBoingo: sadly, reading the actual code is not optional
mircea_popescu: but you know, the miners will implement whatever pr-derps tell them to!111
mircea_popescu: yeah, there is that.
asciilifeform: seems to me that a miner can stuff any valid tx into a block
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i can definitely say that the trb history is adding to ~my~ confusion, but i don't see that as something to be avoided. my hope is that i'll eventually make enough sense of this to relay it concisely to others. still much work to do, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: maybe the cutoff is at a tenth of a cent ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a sane mempool scheme, a 2 cent payment does not guaranteedly remove a 1 cent one from the mempool.
mod6: 602 instances of numeric wizardy, yup. lot to track down there. but, thanks again. it needed doing.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is that i can say "take this and pay bob and keep a cent" and then later come and say "take this and pay alice instead and keep two cents", making the later guaranteed to overtake the former.
asciilifeform: i.e. one could displace an unconfirmed tx of fee f by broadcasting doublespend where fee > f, at least with a certain nonzero probability