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mircea_popescu: incidentally, why the fuck does bitcoin have json support ? do we actually want this ?
punkman: can do the gui-snip thing first, work is already done
mircea_popescu: that small logger thing actually looks pretty good
asciilifeform: but they gotta be separate.
asciilifeform: ok to make the two patches in one sitting
mircea_popescu: what i took it to mean was that if he's gonna load his head with shit, would rather do two things than one and reload
mircea_popescu: punkman certainly a worthy attempt, even if mod6 prolly won't be able to put it in current release.
asciilifeform: we aren't trying to minimize patch-line-counts AS SUCH
asciilifeform: punkman: this is very much the wrong idea
asciilifeform: 'does this do X and ONLY X'
punkman: both gui-snip and debug-sanity are gonna touch a lot of files though, and I would prefer to do this once
asciilifeform: this makes it considerably easier to evaluate every path
asciilifeform: the vestigial wx crapolade needs to go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my original thumbs-down for his patch was on account of bundling multiple-unlikes
mircea_popescu: this with a view to better semantics, or with a view to reinstate gui ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: start over, meaning make a new debug_sanity patch with more improvements (and without the gui snipping parts bundled together)
asciilifeform: in that he has to work on certain flavours of shit icecream, in order to eat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually may want to write him a letter, iirc he was also all about fits in head but arrived there on slightly different path
asciilifeform: one way to look at it is that he isn't much more of a 'free man' than, e.g., i am
mircea_popescu: guy's brilliant, hard to argue with that. but yes, seems he's being slowly ground to paste by "teh system"
asciilifeform: and with devising block ciphers, which is very easy to 'do'
asciilifeform: so he's stuck with the ecc gargle.
asciilifeform: even if ~that would be the Right Thing~
asciilifeform: just like you don't become a famous small arms designer by refining the kalash
asciilifeform: problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa. ☟︎
asciilifeform: punkman: i'm a fan of the man's cryptoanalytic work. but the sv-popularity of his cipher primitives is concerning
asciilifeform: punkman: quite a few things
punkman: https://github.com/SergiusTheBest/plog interesting logging library, less than 1kloc, includes simple log rotation ☟︎
punkman: I'd like to contribute more debug-related patches, could maybe split the gui-snip stuff from debug_sanity patch, and start over.
mircea_popescu: of course they're busy fucking around doing nothing much. but hey, gosplan!
asciilifeform: (srsly who the FUCK uses 'salsa' etc)
mircea_popescu: actually a proper history of early mining would be a most respectable endeavour for a serious, diligent historian at this point.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382579 << this is a mega-l0l, worth reading! turns out, one day they decided to play 'obfuscated c contest' at ft meade ☝︎
kakobrekla: afaik there were 'duds' i dont recall specifics from top of the head
asciilifeform: i remember very well the smoking ~boards~
asciilifeform: i am specificially thinking of ~ic~ rather than ~board~
mircea_popescu: there were, up until early 2013 or so, more dead runs than live.
mircea_popescu: asicminer had a fully blown up run. so did bfl, twice iirc.
asciilifeform: or just 'took the money & ran'
asciilifeform: yes but any public intel suggesting a taped-out total dud ?
mircea_popescu: of the people who scammed their "investors, at least half, to two thirds, were scammed in turn, by their "providers".
asciilifeform: nor wanted to be.
asciilifeform: but i - obviously - wasn't there.
mircea_popescu: and so there were.
asciilifeform: afaik there were none.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if this were so, there would have been many asic co. sunk by a taped out dud
mircea_popescu: easy to reinterpret what memory salvaged of the midden of history, but if you were there and saw the missing 95% from that story...
kakobrekla: they didnt have the time to make anything past "this will prolly work"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the whole racket stood on a solid column of chump, and was designed around such
asciilifeform: i've always wanted to do a bit of microscopy on those, see if there was a set of magicks for re-enabling the 'accidented' cores
mircea_popescu: iirc the overall "delivered asic, all cores working" was in the <5% zone.
asciilifeform: (they never got the wear circuits to behave plausibly like a real-life bathtub curve, either. so the things would routinely ship with varying number of working hash cores, etc)
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/06e1a4f30719f22ffe8bd2f8abe73b1b/tumblr_nd32f8rOuT1rqs8dwo1_1280.jpg << in other news, never trust a man with a garage.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 08:59:13; punkman: "It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382561 << this seems like a deviously clever notion until you recall that most of the asic miners were - quite likely deliberately - not built to last ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382549 << this looks disturbingly like BingoBoingo's material ☝︎
mircea_popescu: like fucking pagliacci over here, just turns to sad.
asciilifeform: 'who has been in the army, does not laugh in the circus' (tm) (r) (su) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: very fucking hard making jokes about bitcoin codebase, seeing the state it's in.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:33:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could always curl deedbot.org for the latest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the guy do something useful wouldja. step at a time.
asciilifeform: (add what belongs in the pool to a new pool, then nuke what remains. also defrags...)
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:20:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382232 << even the simple step of "add flag to trb to dump mempool into file each time a block is found" would be helpful atm.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382433 << all i really want presently is to dump mempool. and to have some means of removing ANYTHING whatsoever from it. because if we had this, we COULD semispace-garbagecollect. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 05:23:47; mircea_popescu: and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382439 << i thought we had this ? ☝︎
asciilifeform played with a bag of empty shells of those, as a boy
asciilifeform: more than century.
asciilifeform: notice the very archaic flanged shell and rimmed bottom on the last
mircea_popescu: well, depends. the large nato round is really like the hunting .308
asciilifeform: today as in '70s the man-portable small arms fire the 'intermediate' things and the squad guns - the 1890s longer one.
mircea_popescu: well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one. ☟︎
asciilifeform was very very confused until realized that mircea_popescu is counting the ~length~ of the shell !
mircea_popescu: and that's on the modest 39mm. pretty much a thing of the past, everyone doing 51 now amirite. so 2x that.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's about 2kj per bullet, we find that each enemy combatant takes ~1MWh in bullets only!
asciilifeform: well also because did not go to kindergarten, never learned concept of suppressive fire
mircea_popescu: people keep mocking hollywood marksmanship. mostly because they've never been in a warzone.
mircea_popescu: dja know that the AVERAGE ammo expenditure per enemy killed is in the 2mn range by now ?
mircea_popescu: aww why the haet!
asciilifeform: and wake me up when they ~make~ a tank.
mircea_popescu: but, at this juncture, augustus' memoirs are recomended re-read. might explain the vecchio rotinculo much closer than before.
mircea_popescu: and they do not wish to be not because they somehow give a shit about brutus and brutish jealousies.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the people who could be caesar ie emperor and pontifex max uniformly do not wish to be, so much so it's almost a heuristic.
mircea_popescu: they had more dynasties than americans had sexual partners.
mircea_popescu: your idea that "5000 yr egyptianreich" is not unlike a 1900s victorian idea that "5000 yr chinareich". wut ?
asciilifeform: hey it worked for the 5000yr egyptianreich!
mircea_popescu: which is why they keep inventing academic honors for the emperor. they work admirably, don't they.
mircea_popescu: king can not invest by staff. he doesn't have a staff to give.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea how to formulate this better than to refer you to the (oft mentioned, by me) worms dispute.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this is a flattering if incorrect representation. like saying "unfortunately whale did not have enough evolution mojo to grow wings". yeasure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the expression of the castrated subhumans that nevertheless are intelligent enough to notice the problem, this is usually called the "knowledge problem", ie poor state can't acquire and process enough information to make a reasonable gosplan.
mircea_popescu: i am immune to it, it depends on me. this creates a certain situation of power in the field.
asciilifeform: only because the beast is immunocompromised
mircea_popescu: problem being, they don't actually help, just serve to alienate me further.
asciilifeform: lucky we are that 'hi guise im ceo' has no army and no navy.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the red square nuclear bomb displays and etc. obligate pompousness.
Azelphur: I feel bad -10ing him though, I like to work things out with people and it just sucks that he's not meeting his obligations or even being reasonable really
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck are you ?"
mircea_popescu: the argument against gosplan is exactly the argument against "hi guise i am ceo".
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu doesn't have an argument against gosplan ?! other than not liking the colour & shape on purely aesthetic grounds?