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a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:07 trinque: douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command
mod6: lol mircea_popescu, I haven't heard that song in quite a while.
mircea_popescu: mod6, "i got friends... they're multiplyin'... an' i'm loooosin'... control!"
mod6: lol, "if it were not for your ``friends'' I would think that this was a normal chat site"
mod6: yeah, exactly. glad I brought it up. our first test of this.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:15 mod6: There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816001 << i don't see how it could have been avoided. sooner or later it was coming up, so why not sooner. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:07 trinque: douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: a right right, i forgot that part! kalash == maitenance is an act of love and devotion, not a matter of necessity. this is deeper than it sounds, consider this recent exchange : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQRtP/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:04 trinque: mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815984 << hence the "only part missing is installing mpwp" solution, which in itself is lulzy. BUT, the sad fact of the matter is, trinque , that the beginnings of education and the refusal of education are strictly indistinguishable. let's leave this be and consider the case of girly in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815550 : if i were to reject her on the basis of her initial advances ☝︎☝︎
hanbot: yeah. in short, i'm not averse to trying, and now and then do dive in the soup to see. i pretty much emerge with piss variously lodged in my eyesockets and zero pearls.
mod6: I think that may be a workable solution.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:03 trinque: I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so.
hanbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/panama-makes-me-ill/ << and then there's the sort of "bitcoin embassy" denizens i imagine abounding, whose ideas of security/tech whatever boil down to "we've got these here tshirts, herp"
a111: Logged on 2016-10-24 19:19 hanbot: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161024/#103 << i was actually gonna check out some "linux chix" meeting at the local red hat hole when i noticed 'pre-registration with documento' was required, you know, for 'security'.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815751 << sure, in theory. in practice i imagine heaps of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558640 and "we can't/won't communicate off our phnojesy app du jour", but it's not impossible some folks go hoping to be rescued eh. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 trinque: if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to.
mircea_popescu: while i can appreciate http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815977 ; it seems unavoidable that in fact peri-rating negotiations will be a fact of life ; only weren't historically because historically the importance of ratings was relatively small (even if ever growing). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815978 << honestly i don't fucking know. it's all uncharted territory / shit we came up with. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815950 << if he doesn't actually aim to lordship, i suppose he could get away with reading his highlighs and their context only. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815945 << i actually get the comments rss feed as pms from deedbot, so i never miss any. tip top feature. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:08 esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
douchebag: would anyone mind chatting with me via PM so I don't shit up the logs asking questions about how to get everything on this gentoo box sorted? I have minimal expereince working with gentoo so I have quite a few questions
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:03 esthlos: if I need to be able to respond within a day to work with you guys, I will do my best to change things around
esthlos: yep mod6, that's effectively what I'll be doing.
mod6: for instance, my thing basically checks all people in the current wot, then verifies the seals based upon the current wot, then build a map, from which I build a flow. then all operations take place fro mthat.
douchebag: No I didn't
douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/JMM0nah.png
douchebag: Forsure, I should have got to working on this earlier. I've just been incredibly busy lately with finals for college, work, and preparing to move overseas in about 2.5 weeks
douchebag: But right now I'm setting up nginx + php + mysql on the bbox
mod6: I agree, which why, if you read above, I'm posing the question to our customer, mircea_popescu.
douchebag: Well, I have a blog post. It's not complete and mpwp isn't installed yet.
lobbes: mod6: ah okay. logline you originally posted was phrased as a question, but reading further I see now that it resolves to the 'negrate from -any one- lord disqualifies': http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808202 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mod6> diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all. << MP rented the thing because the guy can't
mod6: diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all. ☟︎
mod6: This is overall dubious then. If someone scams me, and I neg-rate them, but their mircea_popescu's person in question, then what? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: If I recall it was MP that rented the rockchip for douchebag. ☟︎
mod6: Read that log post that I pasted above. That is the current rule.
lobbes: mod6: re pizarro wot policy: so you're saying positive lordly ratings do not cancel out negative lordly ratings? i.e. rule is simply: "any lordly negrate disualifies?" ☟︎
douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/xMuGhxe.png
douchebag: okay, I think it's working! yay
BingoBoingo: I assume she was hit while wandering aimlessly in traffic as the zombies tend to do here ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815871 << Tuesday I was on the bus and we went past and ambulance. Behind the ambulance was an old lady bleeding profusely from the head, head propped up on... CARDBOARD. ☝︎
douchebag: no, i'll create that right now
douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/4W4mBwq.png ☟︎
douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/q91y37j.png ☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: i don't know exacts, but you were talking back to me over in lrh around the same time you were polluting snr in here, and my +1 was preventing others from !!downing you
mod6: I'll be around for a bit if you need some help with v.pl.
mod6: I would say, focus on trinque's task list. Then read back on the other neg ratings given and see if some repair can be done to your wot-status.
danielpbarron: i'm not married to the rating, will consider arguments
mod6: well, i probably saw at one point, but forgot o.O
mod6: fwiw, i didn't even know ben_vulpes neg'd him :D
douchebag: If I'm going to run a blog, wouldn't it make sense to have a domain name that's easy to remember?
danielpbarron: i also have him at -1 for mouthing off to me in the eftard channel
mod6: douchebag: fine by me, whatever works best for ya. could be: goatraper.com for all i car.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:16 mod6: Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone.
lobbes: re wot: I mean, the serenity of leveraging the wot, imho, is that it is a purely individual-to-individual thing by design. In this case, you have Pizarro (P) who has customer relationships with MP and D. D has been negrated by T on the basis of Tx. MP can either decide 1) Tx means enough to request P get rid of D, in which case P now determines if it values MP or D moar, or 2) MP decides Tx does not mean enough to request P get rid of D.
mod6: What is it complainig about? Btw, I'm not sure that this projct even works with my version of V.
douchebag: No, I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong right now
douchebag: right now, I just threw that up so that I have something at least ☟︎
douchebag: I need to get a domain now, and get mpwp setup
trinque: mod6: means from where my butt sits, if it's tomorrow, I pull the trigger. so get crackin
trinque: mod6: since his remedy involves access to a place to post the report, I'll give it until the end of the day, which is ample time to get a blog up and a post (even incomplete, so what) up. ☟︎
mod6: And what I should have said is: In light of the douchebag being neg-rated by a someone, a TMSR~ Lord especially, douchebag will be removed from access. This may change if his status changes.
trinque: mod6: I don't mean there's an actual contract, just referencing the notion of "cure period"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 03:43 douchebag: Alright, I can have that done in the next week or so. I'm currently using the rockchip box to host a webpage to troll someone, so I want the lulz there to continue to it's full potential
mod6: Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone. ☟︎
mod6: There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above. ☟︎
trinque: douchebag: since I can read, I can see a spurious "v" in that command ☟︎☟︎
trinque: mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further ☟︎
trinque: I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so. ☟︎
mod6: trinque: I only asked you, not as an appeal process, personally I couldn't care less. However, just wondering if you are going to remove that rating should the man do whatever in the next say day or two, whatever.
douchebag: I already have a webserver running on my pizarro box. I just don't know how I'm supposed to unpack mpwp
trinque: if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to. ☟︎
mod6: Ok forget I asked.
trinque: if you follow the log lines I referenced back, you'll see exactly why I did it.
douchebag: I just need to set up an mpwp blog and post the work I already have done
trinque: I really don't like the idea of negotiating with anyone on what my ratings shall be
mod6: sooo... trinque, is the neg-rating on douchebag going to stand? because mircea_popescu has rented him a rockchip (right?) and according to the rules we laid out, I think we said that douchebag would be removed from access to the hardware.
trinque: I really like how this thing is coming together, ftr, and can't wait to start using it with portage.
trinque: esthlos: I'd rather let you perform whatever changes to this thing, so I can keep working with gentoo entrails.
esthlos: think I see why it's breaking
asciilifeform: ( which i did when mircea_popescu published his archived 1.4.10 tarball )
asciilifeform: trinque: very early on, i actually had it, but it was 100% painless to switch away from
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815935 << i'ma give it a proper look ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 03:04 trinque: since I haven't heard from you, I'm proceeding with these changes myself
esthlos: now I'm going to go through the logs and see if I've missed anything else. let me know what you've done on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815850 so we don't double spend on time. and to sum it up, yeah, my bad on the communication ☝︎
esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose ☟︎
esthlos: but you should know that, new as I am, it takes me a long time to even get through one day of log while understanding what is going on
esthlos: if I need to be able to respond within a day to work with you guys, I will do my best to change things around ☟︎
esthlos: trinque: my current plan has been this: I digest the logs in batches every few days, but search for my nick at least once a day. since my nick wasn't referred to in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815256 , I missed it. my approach may be inadequate, since trilema is the first time I've used irc and I don't really know what I'm doing. but it's a reality of my schedule that sometimes I won't be able to respond for two days or so ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '(1960*4-8-8-16-64-24-6144 -- this includes two commas and a 2048 bit exponent)' << out of curiosity, how come your exponent is capped at 2048 ? or did i misread this ?
trinque: I don't have a defined expiration time for them. If bot operators are interested in ^ maybe we'll go ahead and say it's 3 months, or whatever's sensible.
spyked: hm. so trinque, OTPs don't have any sort of expiration? the scenario I'm thinking of is that eventually my (for example) home ISP would do some stupid thing that would lead to the TCP connection going down. but that could happen in a week, a month or six from now, so I'd want that OTP to be valid whenever that happens.
spyked: (I suspect there is no way to separate privkey storage from bot operation *and* automatically perform e.g. deedbot self-voicing; but I might be wrong)
spyked: lobbes, I am curious: how do you have lobbesbot self-voice then? do you do it manually? ☟︎