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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn'
t, nor do i, nor does anyone capable of thinking.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller don'
t be the messenger. kid can gpg like anyone else.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: not homework question. kid is entry level linux engineer and was like "this keeps returnngin full bytes. it won'
t copy"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you aren'
t reasoning about IT. you're reasoning around it.
mircea_popescu: no, nude isn'
t a pejorative, it's not better to be dressed than naked.
mircea_popescu: exact fucking definition of derealisation, as in the psychosis symptom. "can'
t distinguish between things present and things in own head."
mircea_popescu: if you didn'
t know geometry known in ancient greece you'd be worried. but this ?
mircea_popescu: if they won'
t eat the cockroach, they don'
t have a preference, they just gave up, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this hallucination of choice, "i am getting none and will tell you what i won'
t accept" is the universal symptom of elliot-idiocy not just in elliot, but in everyone. AFTER you get MORE than you can handle, THEN you can express preference. not before. never before.
mircea_popescu: cuz i had nfi there was anyone left in california who didn'
t ganja
pete_dushenski: not like persians didn'
t try to make own hoplites, but inevitably ended up buying existing mercs because short-term it was the only practicable solution
BingoBoingo: How can a serivce have 100 kilousers when it doesn'
t even have two centiusers?
phf: hmm, there's no exceptions, bot's simply timing out. i wonder if i should put a reconnect throttle. i wouldn'
t be surprised if the ping is timing out, but a connection can still go through. so bot times out, then reconnects, then one ping goes through, another one times out, so bot disconnects again..
phf: basically it's a choice between beta level code that is likely to do something stupid, but not as likely to completely die and stable code that doesn'
t know how to reconnect dying on wednesday while i'm away
phf: asciilifeform: i don'
t know what that was, i'll have to read the log/code but probably sometime later tonight. fwiw it reconnects
mircea_popescu: anyway, a device would be neat, but i'm persuaded it won'
t be the first thing.
mircea_popescu: THIS is the important point of security. not "you can'
t", but "of course you can - which would you prefer"
mircea_popescu: if - for instance, and do not reduce to merely this - 1 and 3 answer in 200ms and 2 answers in 600ms, i have my answer don'
t i.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don'
t think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
BingoBoingo: <phf> but we don'
t even have an equivalent of "great thing until it wasn'
t" produced by tmsr << BitBet follows, but was produced by TMSR blastocyst
phf: but we don'
t even have an equivalent of "great thing until it wasn'
t" produced by tmsr
phf: asciilifeform: so far we don'
t have a complaining problem though
phf: well, i know that lautreamont didn'
t consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young though, so i think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of the time. considering how over the top nihilist it is, i assumed that it was a joke
phf: but but i didn'
t mean gothic straight here, i think that maldoror specifically is already a parody
phf: i don'
t think i meant it in lj sense. i was thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like that in the first chapter
mircea_popescu: phf he doesn'
t even specifically want to become a scourge. he wants to "they should be punished" ; and "to become a dictator". essentially, like any good liberal/socialist, he JUST WANTS THE STATE TO.
thestringpuller: oh i kno. unfortunately for america, it's "pop culture" like the sitcom now. teen pregnancies ain'
t just for black folk no mo'
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls thought they were castrated. literally, that ancient trick of "i stole your nose" that amuses 3yos ; they thought someone took their penis, which is why they don'
t look like boys.
phf: asciilifeform: going back to gossip conversation, my issue is that the gossip you talk about exists exclusively in your head, where's mp got a spec. there are aspects of gossip functionality that can be explored with current spec despite the underlying tcp transport. and like i said broken transport doesn'
t invalidate the application functionality. it will leak in practice through tcp shenanigans, but that's the nature of this
phf: well, since that's never been published we can'
t even have meaningful conversations about it :p
phf: current spec doesn'
t do that
phf: yeah it's a shitty transport, that doesn'
t contradict anything i said though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as trust if you don'
t anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
phf: i don'
t think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
☟︎ phf: if i tell you "go to such and such place and then once you're there do another validation" you don'
t have to trust that "such and such place" is valid purely by being there
phf: it can be construed as trust if you don'
t anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
☟︎ Framedragger: i won'
t argue the point, sorry for any frustration caused. the thing i have in mind is probably not the "current spec" anyway!
phf: it doesn'
t place any ~trust~ in ip addresses
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don'
t want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
phf: it sort of works,
http://glyf.org/tmp/eulora-2.png doesn'
t load any textures though. i'm going to push the update to the scripts, but i won'
t be able to look at it proper for another couple of weeks
phf: instead he hated them, precisely because he thought that he's no worse. it's all through his narrative "girls dig cruel people" and all that stuff. the idea of, say, learning to become cruel (accepting his modality) somehow didn'
t really enter his mind
phf: he couldn'
t talk to girls, ok, but he could talk to those same guys that he hated.
mircea_popescu: not so. i don'
t believe he biologically had a complete set of mechanisms. there was nothign for him.
mircea_popescu: that he got off the pig doesn'
t invalidate the fucking.
phf: i can put new urls into the build scripts and see if it still works (unlikely but who knows, if dev team hasn'
t touched build process might still be operational)
phf: mircea_popescu: oof, there aren'
t any. i've not updated the build scripts for the new version and it's not a "some pointers" kind of process
a111: Logged on 2014-10-30 23:55 mircea_popescu: undata: if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects <<< there is. you're watching it. just because leadership is not in your face doesn'
t necessarily mean leadership is absent and it's your time to shine. it may also mean leadership is extremely good at what it does.
phf: i got bogged down in config files and other such minutia, but that's because i wrote it in c and i'm not yet at a level where i can produce elegant c solutions. i also used knuth's web, and since there aren'
t systems that support web/c syntax highlighting and indent the whole process was very much "grinding your own telescope lens by hand"
phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don'
t want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
☟︎ mod6: Didn'
t mean to take over the chamber, sorry. lol.
adlai: trinque: i think you're describing an imaginary system that doesn'
t actually exist in any of the existing wotbots/
adlai: wasn'
t the whole thread about the fact that there's no unquestionable ordering?
trinque: deeded requires signed, and if the right material is signed, doesn'
t need to be a deed.
adlai: nah i just DIDN'
T lose my key
phf: asciilifeform: fwiw, cmucl has all kinds of nooks and crannies that i don'
t want to bring up on account of our recurring "why cmucl" conversation
☟︎ phf: i wouldn'
t be surprised if somebody sets safety 0, that's something that i should actually grep for, but i think it's gpgme that's doing it
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 14:45 mircea_popescu: this is because you also don'
t grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec
phf: BingoBoingo: the whole group was like a walking stereotype. a tall sickly looking polish guy with bowl haircut. an italian with unruly hair who was pretending to be an upper-class englishman. i don'
t think i've ever seen them sober, i suspect they were pretty dull otherwise
mircea_popescu: besides, if you were god wouldn'
t you make them sald-shaped dicks ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in english, "petrified" denotes the situation of the mouse beset by snake, who can'
t move away ; not the situation of sodomites turned to salt by a vengeful god.
mircea_popescu: this is because you also don'
t grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec
☟︎ diana_coman: my point though was that petrified people don'
t seem to be able to learn much while being statues
diana_coman: since we had classes starting usually at 8am if not 7:30 at uni on most days (they surely wouldn'
t have all fitted otherwise in a week/daytime if starting any later), I did not grasp the early concept correctly, lol
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529080 true; at the same time and funnily enough in this particular case, the parents of this guy actually called the police on him and apparently tried to get him out of the way -within the confines of what was acceptable- but essentially everybody else disagreed with the parents' own view that he wasn'
t fit to live among others as he was at the time.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 06:02 mircea_popescu: it's so fucking weird - kid evidently comes from money. he didn'
t find a brothel ? a roach peddler ? nuttin' ?
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking weird - kid evidently comes from money. he didn'
t find a brothel ? a roach peddler ? nuttin' ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the most shocking thing to me re anglospace is and remains the incredible textual productions of people who evidently master no references. it's an endless outpour of "music" from people who don'
t recognize any notes.
phf: man, this story is going to give me nightmares, it's a nightmare in which i'm reading the story and can'
t get out
mircea_popescu: experience shows it is exceedingly difficult to build 4X games that don'
t die thus (more recent players will know this as "zerging")
mircea_popescu: (it stands to reason that if YOU are trying to find the enemy / rabbit / whatever you want to take stationary positions and watch ; yet people don'
t usually want to play a game against ai that does mostly this.)
phf: so i shouldn'
t trust myself to run opsec either
thestringpuller: Sure. But the notion of game AI "knowing the player's location" isn'
t really a thing these days.
mircea_popescu: it is a solved problem. the only way you don'
t get killed if the implementation is, willingly or accidentally, bad.