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asciilifeform installed some time in 2011, used for c, ada, verilog, bash, etc , these -- worked
asciilifeform: appears to work for ada, and coupla dozen other langs, w/out issue
mp_en_viaje: you could just fix that thing, from description it's also broken for ada ?
asciilifeform: will have to bite bullet and write transformer from empty .
mp_en_viaje: so then wtf.
asciilifeform: ( not that this is a problem , for mathematical pov, for peh, which is also single pass )
asciilifeform: appears to be
mp_en_viaje: sounds like terrible implementation, it shouldn't ever throw unclosed tags in an ycase.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rite ? simple problem , on surface, 'take this grammar and throw colour tags where they belong.' but apparently even this can be fucked up, idjit tower of speshulcases doesn't detect breakage of grammar, instead pisses out unclosed html tags.
asciilifeform: will have to write new wpism or its equiv.
asciilifeform: and i gotta get motherfucking ch18c out . so not holding breath for these.
asciilifeform: nao! there ~were~ text processors designed by thinking people, where it ~was~ possible to write a readable proggy with predictable failure conditions. e.g. 'snobol'. but these, buried under 30yrs of sediment, will take serious archaeology to unearth.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems to me your problem is eminently a php task ? "colorize" neh ?
asciilifeform: just like cannot write a tower of tasm macros that fails gracefully.
asciilifeform: it is ~physicallyimpossible to write any other kind in php.
mp_en_viaje: just like javascript isn't there for "here's an implementation of linux kernel in js", just so php is not there for "here's my recursive elegance" or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: it seems to me one ~should not~ write another kind in php.
asciilifeform: i.e. it's black lung equiv for the brain.
asciilifeform: hence wai i even mentioned. it's a typical php proggy, and i strongly suspect that folx who spend enuff time writing in blind macroexpander langs, eventually become incapable of producing any other kind
mp_en_viaje: lotta c written like that, too. and everything else.
mp_en_viaje: obviously maniacs abound, the "'single-char nonalphabetics' are 'symbols' and treated specially. and hardbaked a dependence on delimeters (i.e. whitespace) in the semantics. and fuckknows whatelse." parts sound SO FUCKING FAMILIAR
asciilifeform: right, hence the comparison
mp_en_viaje: no but listen : php chiefly exists for the task of "you know what? take every sentence in this text file and put <tag> around punctuation marks". that's what it was made for, substitute strings in strings, pretty much.
asciilifeform: hey that was last time asciilifeform found himself writing proggies in 'you want debug? haha, very funny' pattern substitutron
mp_en_viaje: which was this ?
asciilifeform: ( remember tasm ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's reminiscent of experience of writing tasm macros lol
mp_en_viaje: ok, so don't use that. just because random plugin was written by tard doesn't invalidate either php as a ... text processor, nor wp plugins as an extension framerowkr for mp-wp
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm cutting the wp thing open to see if it can be made to behave, but at some pt will have to throw in towel and do sumthing else
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was apparently designed by a tard. who insisted that 'single-char nonalphabetics' are 'symbols' and treated specially. and hardbaked a dependence on delimeters (i.e. whitespace) in the semantics. and fuckknows whatelse.
mp_en_viaje: you have this very ineffectual approach to things where you'll try either a very high level thing from first principles (usually, as applied to some extand software) or else a handwritten-on-knee minimalist thing. there's space in between these two, you know.
asciilifeform prolly doomed to write a 'peh2html' batch proggy, and fughet about wpism
asciilifeform started by taking the included 'ada mode' and modifying. but thing seems to choke on the single-character keywords of peh
asciilifeform: right, processor, but w/ no provision (afaik) for asking it to process individual expression in realtime
mp_en_viaje: it's a script processor, wtf other way is there ? not like it compiles anything
asciilifeform: so only way to learn wtf proggy does, is to allow it to run
asciilifeform: but it being ~in~ php makes the thing undebuggable.
mp_en_viaje: possibru problem is not php but the plugin
asciilifeform: difficult to give meaningful example w/out detailing the MB+ pile of shit that is the plugin. simply, config written seemingly according to docs, but there is html barfola in the output.
asciilifeform: just like perl, if you violate some expectation of orig author's, you get arbitrary barf, rather than eggog even.
mp_en_viaje: sure, rome had the fux.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I forgot you split the bots
lobbes: hm, lemme get the lobbesbot back
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell pete_dushenski Contravex doesn't seem to be loading normally
lobbes: sorry again for teh inconvenience
lobbes: ah whoops, need to voice it. one sec
mp_en_viaje: there ~was~ some ongoing bestiality previously, engaged mostly dressed, with the light off and the eyes closed -- in any perspective a shameful act.
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, large objects are discrete, no quantum mechanics applies. as a factual matter, ~nobody had any fucking sex until we came around and taught teens to shave the bush etc, late 80s.
mp_en_viaje: it's easy to play along and pretend, "oh, there's all these people getting their dick sucked nowadays, it's almost as if mine's sucked too", electron-cloud sorta reasoning.
mp_en_viaje: nobody fucked anybody in the 70s.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ^ For the burden of keeping fighter jets file
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08e-mangalia.html << The Tar Pit -- Mangalia
BingoBoingo: We got 360 degree of globe to cover in light of http://trilema.com/2013/two-examples-of-irc-misuse-with-ample-commentary/#selection-215.0-221.104
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> imho oughta extend. otherwise vulnerable to some pretty ugly strange (say, there's just 1 lowball bid, and then fleanode drops the bot until end, etc) << Also there's the 90's Ebay factor. People counting on doing bidding during the final stretch.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I could have swore seeing a picture from the same angle on a trilema post somewhere.
BingoBoingo: Give everyone around the clock a chance to bid
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell lobbes Another 24 hours is probably better than 12.
lobbes_field: *I will not charge (this pjhone "keyboard" is truly maddening)
lobbes_field: In either case will not charge BingoBoingo the traditional fees for this auction due to all the derpage
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ plox to comment
lobbes_field: As for extending, it seems that the bot went down with 12 hours left, so I could easily extend it another 12
lobbes_field: Sry about auctionbot downtime. I shoulda checked before I left for the mines. Will bring back online tonight
asciilifeform: dunno why this took 20yrs from the famous 'embrace & extinguish' leaked memo, but there it is.
asciilifeform: imho oughta extend. otherwise vulnerable to some pretty ugly strange (say, there's just 1 lowball bid, and then fleanode drops the bot until end, etc)
PeterL: asciilifeform: what would haldling correctly look like? it just declares the last bid it saw as the winner, or extend the auction based on the time it missed?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, holy hell, you born librarian you. pretty sure that's it!
asciilifeform: PeterL: i expect we'll find out, when lobbes resets the bot, whether it handles this case correctly
PeterL: so how does the auction work if auctionbot disappears? Wasn't it supposed to be ending about now?
BingoBoingo thought http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/ is the cannon shot, but is the cannon seat.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/rastko-nemanja-and-things-like-that-somewhat/ << Trilema -- Rastko Nemanja and things like that (somewhat)
diana_coman: no penguins, arctic foxes and northern lights there either, according to the other-side criteria
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, well ? no olive trees / figs grow there yes ? that's the criteria.
mp_en_viaje: seems insane for may. even in the snowy north im from.
diana_coman: about 14 degrees here in suddenly-sunny england, lolz; tbf at 6am there were only 8-9 but that's ...refreshing at that hour.
mp_en_viaje: it's like 8 here. i had to cut my belgrade stay, wtf may! i r disappoint!
BingoBoingo: Possible, but this artifact is roughly as culturally embedded as the estufa electrica is across the river.
mp_en_viaje: maybe locals don't close the doors.
BingoBoingo: Of all the things the maker could have pre-drilled holes for and neglected... they neglected pilot holes for the latches. It is not an extraordinary impediment to me putting the thing together, but how are the locals supposed to make the doors work?
BingoBoingo finally acquired a "ropero" and assembling the thing so guests stop wondering why all my clothes are perpetually in the luggage.
BingoBoingo: reworded "the criminal organization calling itself the United States Government has impotently gone on tilt by escalating zher ongoing aggression against zher rivals."
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/new-microsoft-chromium-based-browser-to-include-legacy-ie-attack-surface/ << Qntra -- New Microsoft Chromium Based Browser To Include Legacy IE Attack Surface
BingoBoingo: There's no bottom to these lolz
asciilifeform: also upstack, 'The US guided-missile destroyers ‘Preble’ and ‘Chung Hoon’ traveled within 12 nautical miles' << lol!!
asciilifeform: ( also reveals that in '12 , it was ~clean. this suggests that it grows by ~foot / yr or so.. )
asciilifeform: extra upstack lulz, re 'cultural layer' : google helpfully informs that it has thickened ! ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( they did . but had to find ~empirically~ )
asciilifeform: i tried to find this out last time, and turned out that the co. is retarded, they could not even definitively promise that 2 x 45kg will get loaded.
BingoBoingo: Maybe possible to get a third in?
asciilifeform: loox like classic variant ('economy' + 2 x 45kg bags ) still teh winner.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the same
asciilifeform: was like this when asciilifeform went also.
BingoBoingo: When I came down here business class was at least twice as expensive as economy.
BingoBoingo: North America/Uruguay gets its own line on the table
asciilifeform: ( 175 usd, that is, for + 23kg )
BingoBoingo: Never hurts to double check
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/after-coup-embarrassment-usg-goes-on-tilt-aggressing-on-all-rivals-at-the-same-time/ << Qntra -- After Coup Embarrassment USG Goes On Tilt Aggressing On All Rivals At The Same Time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: While you plan your next run down here make sure to re-review Copa's baggage policies. They seem to be shifting as these things do. http://archive.is/mU9FX
lobbes_field back to mines, bbl
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:01 phf: tbnl from which hunchentoot comes used to be pure mod_lisp, another code to look at