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Framedragger: i guess it has a socialist bent to it - i thought - noobs won't read actual logs so might as well quote what's actually needed; and, it is useful for when it's just a couple of lines. but it does add to the thickness of logz.
Framedragger: (if same irc nick invokes same line multiple lines that line won't be repeated foreva; so there's that)
Framedragger: ah! lol. in relation to mutual recursion, scriba won't repeat same line forever, fwiw; it will switch to "..."; but mutual destruction hasn't been empirically tested, so heh.
mircea_popescu: well ok but you can't have each bot read each line in chat what is this.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger eh, right. they'll go to coinbase instead. like before, there's a reason for that "these people have money?!" - mp laughs ; and the reason is that people who have money either do better research than this or else soon enough don't have money.
asciilifeform: this ain't the first upnpism either
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: absolutely. and at the same time you can understand why a bunch of people do not intend to hold any money with you ("these people have money?!" - mp laughs), because even if the "ban" is legit, it doesn't exactly inspire things.
mircea_popescu: the anal child's "you didn't buy me my toy so it's your fault i'm a junkie" only works in the mind of the anal child.
Framedragger: wasn't the whole point of it that kako disagreed of you attempting to charge bbet money for spending money twice (ironically, zero fee tx will be more difficult with no block size increase - which i'm against, too). that this was not in the gpg contract. so he did not sign bbet statement. and then bbet proceeded to be liquidated. you also disabled his mpex account for an unsigned comment on qntra or wherever which did not breach any clau
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
mircea_popescu: i have slaves who also don't ; so has the welfare state. this doesn't makethem "richer than x". they are the 0 of poor.
asciilifeform: he doesn't work for money and doesn't, as i understand, ever intend to.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: don't disagree with your characterization. but i don't think the "entirely and unmitigatedly wrong" is objectively / necessarily the case. mining konspiracy, i don't know, mircea. but at this point i'm too out of the loop for the "i" to be mean anything here.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's trauma, dude. he did what he earnestly believed was right at the time ; turns out to have been entirely and unmitigatedly wrong. this is catastrophic, and especially so in poorly socialized, introverted, intelligent males. now gotta reevaluate everything, the evaluations often don't come out meaningful, the correct alternatives are frequently perceived as alf-impossible, it's a mess.
Framedragger: my frustration with kako is that he doesn't think it's worth the time to write up a coherent narrative from his point of view. i'm sure it'd be useful to have it. maybe it's because it's impossible to have one in that case; maybe not; i for one don't fucking know
Framedragger: ftr i haven't made up my mind and a man is more complex than just a binary state machine
Framedragger: ‏‎punkman:flimflams: "oops flushed the orderbook again", "oops mispaid dividends again", "HELLO I AM THE CEO OF BITCOIN, HERE IS THE BITCOIN EXAM, oh what do you mean btc addresses don't keep a balance?" "it's not socialized losses, it's btc cartelisation research" "you were being an asshole so I banned your mpex account"
Framedragger: ‏‎asciilifeform:pankkake: the 'can't admit being wrong' thing is quite true, and whether you can afford dealing with mptronics, is very personal matter. so i do not actually disagree, as such, with pankkake.
Framedragger: you know, i recall shitty philosophy students dissing entire philosophical works by just calling them "platonic". can't really do justice by generalizing like that, can you now
BingoBoingo: Sure, then there's Gavin folk who can't be honest
alice_: sure, i wouldn't use it for anything important
alice_: i don't know what a longfp is
BingoBoingo: alice_: Well no you aren't because there's lots of logs to read that you haven't. Go back to step2.
alice_: i don't do christianity
alice_: i honestly can't tell if you're insulting me or complimenting me
BingoBoingo: <alice_> e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments << "v inspiring" is a term of art here
alice_: i don't actually
alice_: i haven't ever interacted with this channel before :(
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and alice_ hasn't told us about cultivating multiple personalities yet !!
alice_: i don't mind pressing s and d at the same time, myself
alice_: i don't use α frequently
mircea_popescu: YOU DON'T NEED ALL LEGS TO TABLE!
asciilifeform: trinque: how we gonna know what it is if we don't plant it in agar.
alice_: trinque: i don't like your face
alice_: i can do Normal Startup Coding Style if i want to, i just hate it so i don't when i don't have to
asciilifeform: my bash doesn't have a lambda.
alice_: e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments
ben_vulpes: and also, approximating his words "look with all the software problems they'd already delivered in the planes i wasn't about to impose more on the poor pilots during their studies. plus, opportunity to hose the suppliers."
ben_vulpes: subject of manuals, a onetime airforce honcho straigh up vetoed the delivery of f22 manuals in xml (!), as pilots couldn't take the un-sensitive stuff home without also taking the sensitive stuff home as it was delivered
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, womenz also can't keep seawater out of their engine lube system, which is why surffucking is so strictly limited to teenagers.
ben_vulpes: in other news, the much-maligned littoral combat ships can't keep water out of their engine lube systems and so the surface force commander has ordered the entire 'fleet' stand down
alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for ☟︎
trinque: can't argue with that.
alice_: that's {power key}⇧ if you haven't installed any exotic fonts. it's macbook-specific.
alice_: i don't think as easy without shit like x/2 and list[:-1]
alice_: i haven't figured out how to scale them up to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
alice_: i read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly the bad thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
asciilifeform: can't say that i have.
asciilifeform: 'These aren't people assembled for an actual reason, as a result of merits. These are people whose merits are supposed to be predicated on the mere fact of having been assembled. Not quite the same thing.'
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:39 asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
BingoBoingo: You don't need to add the whole thing. Just the steps and the traditions.
trinque: shinohai: yes but otherwise it wouldn't have had room for the ;;more
mircea_popescu: you know this "you are very welcome daddy" think keeps reminding me of this ... i don't recall, maybe a succession of sms captions ? where a clearly competent streetwalker (of the sort that lives on street most days, checks into motel now and again) was assuring some random dude that she doesn't mind his friend beating her up.
shinohai: Notice jhvh1 doesn't require a "more"
mircea_popescu: so - yes, there'd be applications where time isn't the criterion.
asciilifeform: because the thing didn't have a multiplier.
asciilifeform: 'lisp doesn't need i/o' -- asciilifeform's brother
mircea_popescu: i dunno who authorized this approach of "try to symbolics-clone ibm at" ; but it wasn't me.
asciilifeform: and the real boojum is that it isn't even AVAILABLE in more than 8 or so MB per die.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't HAVE to use sdram though does it.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-06: [19:34:58] <asciilifeform> A T E N C A O
Framedragger: it won't do the numbering if it's just a single line, like http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:1/to:1#1
scriba: Logged on 2016-08-30: [1/5] [23:40:33] <Framedragger> echo 'Вопрос' | iconv -t cp1251 | iconv -f koi8-r
asciilifeform: any reason to suppose the chick doesn't exist ?
mircea_popescu: oh "anyone can detect 0cost people". really ? who detected nadia chick doesn't actually exist irl ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these aren't 'corporate sites'
mircea_popescu: (feel free to drop a pgpgram when done, of course, i "won't be able to prove it's mine" etc.)
asciilifeform: 'Our launch of the TropOS 6420, an outdoor broadband mesh router designed to enhance physical security applications in electric utility T&D substations, was a timely endeavor given recent high-profile vandalism and sabotage events. '
asciilifeform: t fired the gun which can accelerate in apprehending and convicting individuals involved in the illicit activity.'
asciilifeform: ^ in case anyone wasn't tuned in, these are all animals from the http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored zoo ^
asciilifeform: A T E N C A O
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 13:10 mircea_popescu: this shit's becoming ever more arabic isn't it.
asciilifeform: ^ this isn't wholly accurate. they also exist to give a repeatable zero to the mechanism. (otherwise mechanical switch would suffice.)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535099 << (probably on some superficial level) this reminded me of a film i recently watched at airport: "elena" (2011, zvyagintsev). it's a pretty good film (nothing extraordinary), i think, and i recommend it. i don't have a particular intuition but i suspect that elena's relationship to her husband may pique mircea_popescu's interest, and he'd have words about elena ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and by language we don't mean dogshit from china/india/the pacific islands and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: "i want my theory to work therefore network anchors aren't people, evidently"
asciilifeform: and don't fool actual people for so much as 5 seconds.
asciilifeform: these aren't people.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in that penis makes for a fine way to make friends. the thing is that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method. this thing won't last forever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the need for a global 'humanity filter.' working wotronics implies that folks will assortively peer by degree of muppetry, and this imho suffices.
mircea_popescu isn't in the business of driving people nuts.
mircea_popescu: and of course, the discussion is carried in terms of go but isn't ABOUT go. it's about "human only tasks"
mircea_popescu: now there isn't really.
asciilifeform: incidentally what the hell is wrong with 'i won't answer message from $newkey unless an $oldkey vouched for him' ?
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have to.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger people want, sensibly, to reduce the things they worry about. however, they often get confused in between things they could not worry about but have to, and things they can't not worry about but don't have to.
mircea_popescu: well if you won't read and address the points there we'll have to stop here, i'm not restating it.
asciilifeform: i won't. as knuth does not.
mircea_popescu: yes. but how do you distinguish the one that isn't, from the one that merely appears not to be, from the other 9999 ?
asciilifeform: (for the most part, i don't. except that one time there was this odd parrot-like... etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even with it mining won't go away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i want to send penny wtihout bank" "bitcoin" "oh, without blockchaion, maybe little bank" "use little bank" "no, all these things have the disadvantage that they don't include my 3yo self in a central manner sufficiently"
mircea_popescu: PeterL and this doesn't suggest to you the solution in search of problem angle ?
thestringpuller: PeterL: what do you mean?!?!? Cash doesn't magicall transport itself.
pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm << oldie but goodie on hillary's deep knowledge of the cattle biz, particularly their, ahem, future. couldn't find it in the logs otherwise, worth correcting.
pete_dushenski: the revolutions just keep revolving don't they.
mircea_popescu: oh wait, wait, because if they say there's no social hierarchy there... won't be any. right, i forgot.
mircea_popescu: don't fucking make deals with the government.