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pete_dushenski: i'd leave a comment bringing
this very point up but...
the guardian has disabled all comments.
mircea_popescu: or are we going
to
think she was
true
the first
time and is lying now ?
mircea_popescu: so are we going
to believe
the admission of
the girl
that admits she lied ?
assbot: Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim
that outraged Germany | World news |
The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1Tw1i24 )
pete_dushenski: in summa : "we should be less individualistic and more like
the cattle we properly are. let's stop pretending
to be something we're not"
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 13:21:58; mircea_popescu: it's a combination of multisecular
trends. one is a hate of plastics,
that has been brewing for at least five decades.
the other is a hate of self,
that;s been brewing since ww2, and
that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology.
assbot: If having more no longer satisfies us, perhaps we’ve reached ‘peak stuff’ | Will Hutton | Opinion |
The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1OZE1Cp )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh. i was actually
taking a look at
that
trilema earlier
today. if gabrielradio wants
to lay
the foundation, i'd be happy
to build
the house.
BingoBoingo: It's a problem of making V patches
too big,
turds find a way
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more intelligent
things
to say about
time, and certainly better doubts
to present
than "oh it's secreted by observation". especially in
the fucking 60s.
mircea_popescu: not
that
time's a prime order concept, but
that it's both sad and unbecoming
to field
the matter with antiquated flintlocks left from 1700.
BingoBoingo: He came from Prussia, not a Germany with clocks at
the
time
BingoBoingo: Well, what other conclusion is a bored German
to come
to?
mircea_popescu: al
these khagne idjits'd have benefitted immensely from a modest physical education.
BingoBoingo: Distinct problem
though is lots of oversized patches in
this V graph
mircea_popescu: oh, and your mentioning kant reminds me :
the whole "time is imposed by
the observer" nonsense, also.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Husserl is something of a root node, you can get
to him
through kant->Fichte->Hegel->Marx
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how
there's exactly no benefit
to be had.
mircea_popescu: but
these are
treacherous waters and really not advisable for
the innocent.
mircea_popescu: have we said
that
the icecream is square ? o ? how about
the square is icecream ?
that
too? hmm... "icecream square is
that" no ?
ben_vulpes: i'm always interested in finding
the root nodes
the 'further say'ers metastasized from
mircea_popescu: but basically, and
transparently,
the driving force behind him, and
the whole rest, is "what could we further say".
mircea_popescu: deleuze is exactly a worthless word pusher,
trying
to do "the x of y" like any silicon valley wanna-be. his "x of
the y" is a silly "no identity exists save as a piling-on of differences"
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Until it's BitcoinOS it's a daemon. It's important
to refer
to it as a number of descriptive
things for legacy www reasons.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
to summarize a century or
two of purely french wankery for
the benefit of
the youthful lisper : what
the publish&perish industry did in english on
the basis of
the bastardized electronic
typewriter known as excel is not NEW in any sense, but merely a reimplementation of a
traditional french passtime, originally played on more primitive instruments.
ben_vulpes: i will continue
to drive for "reference implementation" over "real bitcoin" or such grandiosities
ben_vulpes: perhaps reference Bitcoin implementation instead of daemon, as daemon refers
to how a process gets handled by whatever nix is handling procs locally
phf: i spent some
time playing a lot of kriegspiel with a friend of mine
ben_vulpes: still working
through scip, and even
that's deficit spending.
BingoBoingo: Maybe people can actually use it in french, but in
the English language if you invoke it,
there is a near certainty you and your problem are wrong.
ben_vulpes: i don't know anything about
the
topic!
mircea_popescu: i also know something about finkielkraut and
that other fuckwit in
the context of amorous disorder.
BingoBoingo: If you need
to invoke intertextuality for any reason, your problem is likely wrong.
copypaste: also, i liked your attempt at
the merchant rewrite mircea_popescu :)
copypaste: i have a kindle, but never use
the store feature.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: know anything about deleuze and guatarri in
the context of intertextuality?
ben_vulpes: those curly horns don't look
too fun, but whaddoiknow
mircea_popescu: the notion of some retard somewhere paying a hundred he actually worked for so as
to receive a pdf still makes me chuckle.
ben_vulpes: the notion
that
there is any price for bits not agreed upon by a bid by people who want
the bits and an opening of
the floodgates by
those who have
them at an accepable rate is utter horseshit.
mircea_popescu: what, you
thought
they're only selling at 0.95 for a few years until barnes and noble goes under ?
BingoBoingo: Hey, Amazon will buy your copy for a $25 gift card
though!
mircea_popescu: awww, but all
this
technology was here
to make books cheap and accessible!
ben_vulpes: although
that's probably more accurately strictly a SBCL
thing.
ben_vulpes: one of
the
things
that remains a mystery
to me is
the recompilation facilities supporting slime et al
ben_vulpes: did not know
that
tear ducts could weep blood
ben_vulpes: i've been
trying
to read
the
tinyscheme sources
phf: a curio for
the lisp aficionados
http://mumble.net/~jar/pseudoscheme/ an implementation of scheme in common lisp forward ported from lisp machines. a precursor
to scheme48, so gets a lot of
things right
mircea_popescu: no idea why i'm reading random blather about
the human fund - money for people. or w/e
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Better
than hats,
they do coins for 1, 3, 6, and
then every year.
ben_vulpes: you've been in it for what, 2 months at
this point?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Feel free
to qntra it up I got a meeting
to get
to.
ben_vulpes: and
thank you for reporting per my ask.
punkman: choosing a position in
toposorted list for pressing was just a hack
to keep
things simple
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no it's not bad, make sure we're ACTUALLY on
the same page as opposed
to just jointly excited.
phf: mircea_popescu: what
to do about a b->c->d e->f press
to c. a b c? or b c?
ben_vulpes: sorry for all
the dumb questions, just working
to
tease out into explicitude what everyone else
takes for granted.
mircea_popescu: generally from what i've understood,
the default behaviour was production (1st above), whereas people
these days decided
they'd like
to see development (2nd above). i also don't
take umbrage with
this.
ben_vulpes: sure, and i don't
take much umbrage at
this.
mircea_popescu: someone who is doing debugging might wish
to see
the whole
tree all
the way down
mircea_popescu: that's entirely up
to you neh ? i'd prefer it if i
told you
to press c for you
to limit yourself
to pressing c.
ben_vulpes: but
the primes, do i press
them? or simply recurse up
the antecedent chain cleanly?
ben_vulpes: what is
to be done with c' and c'',
then (patches
that also depend on b but have nothing
to do with c)
mircea_popescu: if you're pressing c,
then all
the leaves c depends on have levels, and only
they have a level.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
there is no concept of level defined outside of a press.
ben_vulpes: but
there's no guarantee
that it renders a b c d e instead of d e a b c
mircea_popescu: you're
thinking global scope like some sort of perlhead.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:00; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
the press algo must
then press all same-tree-level leaves for
the given leaf, correct?
mircea_popescu: if d e do not have a common antecessor with c, pressig
to c dropps
them.
ben_vulpes: this was a
thing i bounced off weeks ago!
mircea_popescu: uh. how are unconnected nodes at "the same level" ?
they're at an undefined level
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
this introduces a conflict between "pressing a head presses all signed patches at same leaf-level
that have been signed by wot"
mircea_popescu: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu, I know
that you
think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying
that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about
that? Isn't
that useful in case someone dies or lost
the control over
the key? << how is a bitfield in
the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of
the key ? neither of
these are
time-able events.
mircea_popescu: phf> doing by
the book kahn
topo sort on my graph results in
topo a b c d e so pressing
to c drops
the whole d e subgraph <<
this is correct.
phf: well, original v uses python dictionary for "list
to inspect", i.e. order is non-deterministic
ben_vulpes: either
that or find roots first,
toposort from each root, and
then apply each set of
toposorted patches in some arbitrary order
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 18:19:27; phf: right now it seems like an artifact of
topo sort
ben_vulpes: i suspect v's
toposort will need
to account for multiple geneses
phf: ben_vulpes: kahn loops over a list of nodes
that starts with genesis. on each iteration node in
the list is inspected, its children added
to
the list for further inspection. you can give priority
to what was in
the list first or give priority
to what's in
the list last, which will produce either depth first or breadth first walk
phf: but
that merges nodes from unrelated graphs without any sort of sense or reason