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PeterL: you don't
think sanders has a chance
to beat her?
BingoBoingo: Over
this past week Rush has back off of his
Trump promotion and shifted focus
to
the actual race between
the
two legit hispanic candidates.
punkman: should email him
to bet on himself
punkman: wonder what will be
the biggest bbet in 2016
BingoBoingo: Eventually
TMSR will get counting.
Then we can have arithmetic. Eventually ciphers.
ascii_butugychag: this is so basic
that it is even beaten
to death in usg standards documents for
their crud, in public
ascii_butugychag: new one is introduced over
the wire enciphered with old one, but enemy has no idea WHEN.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, all block (and even stream) implementations in
the battlefield use over-the-wire rekeying
mircea_popescu: nobody is spending a dollar
to break a safe
that holds five cents.
ascii_butugychag: if i can't decide friend or foe after first 512byte,
then no go
ascii_butugychag: you do if you want
to follow
the NOBODY GETS NOTHING FOR SHOWING UP principle
mircea_popescu: you don't have
to put
the crypto layer UNDER
the upd chunkage.
mircea_popescu: what else isn't proven,
that
teleco standards ALSO preclude good cryptography ?
mircea_popescu: looky :
the insane 500 byte udp limit PRECLUDES good cryptography
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb,
today.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: if
this were so, may as well have sent
the message in
the clear!
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag
the example
then was
that
the chain allows you
to introduce known-weak points in a subsequent pass without being able
to know it
ascii_butugychag: and now i wonder how
the fuck mircea_popescu can live with rsa
ascii_butugychag: this is rather like arguing
that 'cutting a man's abdominal cavity open will weaken and kill him.' YES if we haven't invented antiseptics yet
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 16:53:38; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 <<
this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining
things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a
thread here about just
that few months ago
ascii_butugychag surprised at how mircea_popescu puts up with 'cementing'
the abominably-broken gpg set
mod6: in
this case, V will return an error stating something like
this: HEAD: asdfasdfasdf not found in flow
ascii_butugychag: i'll wait for mircea_popescu
to cough up provably-correct cipher..?
mod6: alright, i've got a local fix for gernika's bug where it'll press
the entire
tree out if
the given vpatch is not in
the flow.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking stupid, as it just cements
the bad but apparently
tmsr-acceptable now cipher.
ascii_butugychag: because i don't have 20 years
to wait for discovery of good cipher.
ascii_butugychag: but re: earlier
thread, i'ma publish 'g'. and it'll have one or more of
the bad old ciphers from gpg. BECAUSE gpg is ~already~
the weak link in
the proposed system. or ben_vulpes doesn't get
to download his w4r3z
mircea_popescu: buncha retarded children
told
too often
they're smart and special by drunks and whores.
mircea_popescu: note
that
this is how
the "scaling bictoin" "discussion" among "experts" goes :
ascii_butugychag: 'this is clever and i have nfi how anyone could possibly attack' is proof of ~nothing~ but
the intellectual limits of
the author
ascii_butugychag: the basic problem with ALL known block ciphers is
that
they are based on fairy dust
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb,
today.
ascii_butugychag: it is, or would be, quite useful, if someone would accept an answer
to 'what instead of aes'
mircea_popescu: no matter how broken old shit is, it may be only used
to bootstrap
the creation of correct shit.
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 16:57:23; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag seriously, you are going
too far
too fast. we are not ready
to do
this yet. i do not wish
to use, and i see no purpose of having deployed in any capacity, a block cipher
that does not satisfy a) and b) and idealld d) from
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1394698 mod6: yeah, i agree. im hoping
that after
this round of fixes in place,
that
the mission-critical features are solid enough
to warrent a genesis.
mircea_popescu: i
think it should yea. besides, here's
the beauty of it : "broken" v as previously was could nevertheless be used
to bootstrap fixed v as currently it is found. you know ?
mod6: I've got a local fix in place for ben_vulpes' error
that he brought up: A file (of any
type) exists in 'patches', and it causes V
to fail ungracefully.
mod6: but yah, in general, it should have its own
tree of vpatches. and will save me a lot of pain
too :]
mircea_popescu: fix MY fucking flat
tyre so i go where I wanted
to go in
the first place., don't
tell me idea is better
than 2kbit bassomatic, i couldn't give less of a shit.
mircea_popescu: so sure,
they "fixed" his error, but
the wrong way. i don't want a fix for a flat
tyre
that consists in loading me up on a
trai nthat goes a different direction.
mircea_popescu: and re bass-o-matic, note
that while ineptly implemented,
the origianl p.z. had
the exact same intuition. it happens
to be
the correct posture here, with
the expansion
that 25 years added - back
then 256bytes was a disk block iirc.
mircea_popescu: going ahead just because
the horse you're on happens
to want
to go is how
the christian knights were assraped again and again. rein it in,
the horse is yours not you
the horse's.
mircea_popescu: it's a
toy, or at best a ready equivalent for haskell crap in a different circle jerk.
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2016 23:48:55; mircea_popescu: incidentally,
thinking vaguely along
the lines of making a b-a call for papers for symm cypher, what would we actually want ? i'm
thinking a) block sizes of 1, 4, 16, 64 kbytes. none of
that bit-denominated bs, wtf is
this, 64 bits. fuck
that. b) key size of 64kb fixed. c) bonus points for proved hardness, as-hard-as-x etc d) bonus points for not using just basic arithmetics. fuck
this shift-and-xor
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 15:44:39; PeterL: maybe make up our own block cypher? or just use
them all in series?
BingoBoingo: I
think I'm going
to stop reading
the "Phenomenology of Spirit". I didn't get sober
to import
the mental version of systemd.
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski when you get back we gotta have a conversation about jokes
BingoBoingo: I guess it's
time
to start clueing regular contributors in on
that stealth
turn we decided on.
mircea_popescu: yeh. i mean
the inkling is good, but
this seems a footnote in something else.
BingoBoingo: The magic pisstank
turns out
to be placebo when comes
to NOx apparently... But I guess
this is a bit much for
that point.
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 10:23:40; jurov: oh i see "MPEx will issue
twice
that count of shares, allocating half
to
the Qntra board block, and half
to
the respective authors"
mircea_popescu: up until
the point ascii_butugychag made shiva, it made sense
to refrain from multi-genesis situaiton for complaisance. but now
that
there's
two, might as well have 3 and
this one is actually useful.
mircea_popescu: btw, for
the list of "best shit in
the world only found in argentina" it's cherry season and omfg. never have i had black cherries like
they have here.