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asciilifeform: so that things do not need to 'keep dying forever'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing about turds is they can keep dying forever.
asciilifeform: (and selling own vulns first-looksee to usg.)
asciilifeform: does there need to be a 'why.'
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 02:18:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396901 << the other thing is, simplicity is sorta like sanitation. picture trying to explain 'why i do not like to swim in liquid shit' ☝︎
asciilifeform: (and to sell it through swiss catamite intermediaries to anyone who'd buy, after the last rotor finally gave up the ghost)
asciilifeform: quite possibly the very mission of nsa, for the decades prior to zimmerman, was to keep block cipheration alive...
asciilifeform: and really belong in the rubbish bin with the enigma rotor etc.
asciilifeform: (in fact, the roots of all of the state-of-the-art work ~pre-date~ cook's theorem and the notion of quantifiable algorithmic complexity !)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 's-boxes' etc are the voodoo paraphernalia of the block-ciphration field, which was from its very beginning and to this day 100% hokum ☟︎
mircea_popescu: when i see the "s-boxes" and schedules and bs i get this distinct "technician aspiring to be engineer" feeling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: 'Murican Doctor-Lawyer supposed to not be an idiot or something?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion. << Why so surprised.
mircea_popescu: shoo to the fields.
mircea_popescu: this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion.
mircea_popescu: " In another variation on the theme, statisticians created the concept of a “standard deviation” realizing that samples in a data set may vary considerably."
asciilifeform: if there is anybody to whom this does not make sense - speak up!
asciilifeform: any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill.
asciilifeform: we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is,
asciilifeform: which, yes, contradicts everybody's kindergarten textbook, but bear with me
asciilifeform: the real gotcha turns out to be... we don't really have hard difficulty proofs.
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BingoBoingo: Maybe Perelman decides he needs some Bitcoin to try the Erdos thing?
BingoBoingo: I dunno seems like an interesting time to put it out there. Who knows what will wash up?
mircea_popescu: da fuck can i do, freedom and decentralization means people run away with the things!
adlai: this block cipher challenge is too soon, i haven't even finished my BBCC yet
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the story of the Obeast inducing vomit in a normal person has since been removed from reddit by the fee-fee police
assbot: This is an Essay About a Fat Woman being Mean and Getting Told Off : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Xupp )
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BingoBoingo: Hegel's disgusting endgame https://archive.is/0AC4C and about that author https://archive.is/2fMRA
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a barony! << Barony today, Dutchy tomorrow
mircea_popescu: pity we don't have any nubile young ladies to offer in marriage as well.
mircea_popescu: "italy" exists in the sense "the united states" exists. barely if at all.
mircea_popescu: for a while they wanted to live in baghdad
mircea_popescu: for a while for instance they wanted to live in florence, venice etc.
kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? >> this is what i've been saying re tmsr for a while nao. finally dawned ? ☟︎
danielpbarron: on a related note, there is a free bot for getting bitcoin and it's called FoxyBot and it's for Eulora
ascii_butugychag: how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ?
danielpbarron: i don't know if i still have but i'll take a look
danielpbarron: top left corner is the number 1 and was pure white
danielpbarron: i made squares of varying widths where each pixel was colored darker for each prime factor it had, the darkest pixels being powers of 2
ascii_butugychag: ever do the ulam spiral ?
danielpbarron: i went to college for math, even if i did drop out right before actually getting a degree
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:54:26; asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost'
danielpbarron: and i thought ascii's avatar was an albino fancy rat
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron: you did webdev? << yeah, at my current gig even. Just switched from office to warehouse
ascii_butugychag: for some reason, i came to associate him with lisp programming in my head.
ascii_butugychag: the one hitler has, which emerges at the press of a button, when suction is required ?
ascii_butugychag: remember the 'desk elephant' ? ☟︎
thestringpuller: http://www.loper-os.org/avatar.png << that thing
thestringpuller: always meant to ask ascii_butugychag - what is your avatar?
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20JLM4A )
thestringpuller: well he is the crypto-priest of the channel.
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 20:37:03; ascii_butugychag: for a degreed mathematician, or even talented amateur, the life choices are generally a) web dev b) usg.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396655 << /me went with a+d at first, and then switched to 'c' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: helps if you even the balance.
mircea_popescu: as is the ballet teacher holding a switch or light cane.
mircea_popescu: that is actually swtill the golden standard
ascii_butugychag: like the legendary nazi electric shock typing tutor.
mircea_popescu: "Dear Ms. Tarzian: Here's another idea I've had: Weight Beaters. Weight Beaters are a method of encouraging participants to lose weight. A participant who does not lose the desired number of pounds in a month is beaten up. This negative feedback can, of course, be combined with more traditional positive-feedback weight-loss mechanisms."
ascii_butugychag: but fair point, i'ma add three arms to it.
ascii_butugychag: also will nitpick, not idle, hosting the #1 trbtron since day 1.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: took me about that long last time iirc
Nicknaem: i'll be back, this isn't my final form. keep up the good work.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag speaking of which, this very expensive rare custom job of a server that was made to be a phuctor host is going to be paid for the 2nd idle month.
mircea_popescu: for my own personal lulzfile that i eat from.
mircea_popescu: sure, but i wish to hear a bunch of "oh there's nothing wrong with tiny block ciphers - bitcoin needs larger blocks!!11"
mircea_popescu: phf could have "yes, exactly" on one side and "right, exactly" on the other and you could just raise it as appropriate :D
mircea_popescu: "oh, this is not important" blabla.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : we've done enough positive work, to be met by the imbecile's "oh it never happened, if it did we did it already" as seen most recently in reddit's digestion of the block thing ; or in phuctor etc. it's time we do something inquisitive, and let the entire world full of fucktards admit that they're useless.
phf: mircea_popescu: ok, i don't get it, about the card printed
ascii_butugychag: yes but what precisely is the point of a block cipher that is slower ~and~ bulkier than abused-rsa.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag still would be nice to have.
ascii_butugychag: block ciphers are not actually necessary if we discard the speed requirement
ascii_butugychag: re: earlier thread:
mircea_popescu: https://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html << also not a bad read. files from "the days before america turned to usg-shit and the inhabitants still entertained delusions"
ascii_butugychag: or, more plausibly, the last pgptron gave up its smoke after being used in hand-to-hand combat
mircea_popescu: and by "we" i mean you know, actulaly trained specialists in teh field.
ascii_butugychag: except that odoacer III meanwhile broke rsa and collided sha512
mircea_popescu: the unreliability of record being the chief reason we don;t know history today
ascii_butugychag: nah, the trouble is always same, 'wtf did it all mean'
mircea_popescu: this being the chief argument against that.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag actually the one trouble for them is... rebasing :)
thestringpuller: process of rediscovery and all that jazz.
ascii_butugychag: even v users will get in trouble if we get 200 year gap where no v and no perl, etc
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: if the looms are destroyed in a fire, there may be no way to reproduce exactly the same end product.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time << yet another one of the problems of not running v.
ascii_butugychag: phf: do you recall mircea_popescu's top hat ?
ascii_butugychag: the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: and this exists for nuke?
phf: but fogbank stories always seemed like Damascus steal, i.e. very precise and advanced, once discovered and lost, equally hard to recover. never did i think that something like glove coupling can get fogbanked
ascii_butugychag: actual total plans for something include intermediates
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: this is a very 'hollywood' conception of 'blueprints'
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: yes, saturn V blueprints are on net. lets go to moon shall we? i have 3 days off coming up.
phf: heard similar stories about sending monkeys to moon from nasa people, a lot "research" is a large multi-cultural team trying to reverse engineer 1970s suite glove, etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> -- because it maxed out in 1960s. << aka "because they have no practical utility"
ascii_butugychag: it is on the net