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asciilifeform: iirc we had a thrd about this at one pt. x60 apparently came in at least 3 variants
bvt: right, t2400 is 32bit, t7200 is later generation - 64bit
asciilifeform: i.e. 1 of their 1st amd64 clones
asciilifeform: aah there it is :
asciilifeform: bvt: i'ma have to boot mine up an' see , then, cuz it's defo running a 64bit errything.
bvt: hm. i have the same, but T2400 is 64bit in 'PAE' sense, not in register width sense.
asciilifeform: btw spyked , outta curiosity, didja have to pay eurotax on that thing ? how much ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( 'toy' lappy , approx. size of vhs tape )
asciilifeform: x60 is sadly rare nao, but the rubbish box i sent to spyked has same chipset, he can say later if confirms this benchmark.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in "shit, i forgot this article even existed", http://trilema.com/2014/the-fallacy-machine/#selection-141.0-141.788
asciilifeform: 1 of the last, if not ~the~ last, intel chipsets w/out the 'me' boobytrap
asciilifeform: ( x60 , at least the 1 in my collection, is an early 64bit intel 'T2400' )
asciilifeform: bvt: with straight (no asmisms) 64bit ffa, i found ~exactly 2x slower on x60 than on the 2393
bvt: this would actually be interesting for x60 machine owners as well. the register pressure would also increase on i386
asciilifeform: this is trivially verifiable experimentally : build for 32bit ( 'MachineBitness' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch18/iron__ads.htm ) and get ~exactly 2x slower.
asciilifeform: ( and really, as observed by mp_en_viaje in prev. thrd, 'bus width bound' )
asciilifeform: in the parlance of seymor cray et al, ffa is 'cpu-bound problem'
asciilifeform: speed of ram, interestingly, has ~0 effect on ffa timing, given as the working set ~always fits in cache
asciilifeform: these won't win any speed records, but i like'em, they go years b/w downtimes no prob ( i take'em down strictly to clean fans )
mp_en_viaje: what is the box ?
asciilifeform: there's still plenty of usable irons faster than asciilifeform's tho.
asciilifeform: imho you defo wouldn't want to ffa on a post-2013 amd, or any intels etc aha
asciilifeform: ( note that asciilifeform's 'standard tester' box, where currently, sans any asmisms, ~1.7 s for same, is 3-4x slower than 'typical irons' of recent years )
asciilifeform: i expect in the end , say <100msec 4096bit modexp, will be achievable on typical irons
mp_en_viaje: oh, you meant it's there, it just can't be measured ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so basically you're saying, for chapter 14 and that alone, it won't help ? but pre-14 and after 14, will ?
mp_en_viaje: not that he doesn't have a point, when dealing with morons gotta telegrap to the lizzardbrain. i don't speak to them either, just hands.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pre-barrett ffa , when rsaing, spends most of wallclock time in fz_mod , is all. which dun multiply. in 14+ , i fully expect 2-3x boost from asmism (possibly higher, with massage w/ magnifying glass for pipelineism etc )
mp_en_viaje: if you/re gonna use the high culture style, at least have the fucking decency to have read the high culture books. wtf, can't do this reference-reference bullshit on nobodies from the colonies.
bvt: asciilifeform: depends on whether there will be a usecase for such item, but in any case shifts/adds should be simpler than comba
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck, SIX fuckingreferences, i don't have any single one of them. wtf is a tony cox. what mahdi.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in wtf, "Beware verbal commands against groups or larger individuals if they are ebons. Unless you look like some big beast like Tony Cox or are some easy going white negro like Big Ron who has that easy grace that telegraphs ass-kicking proclivities—in other words if you are a normal range man—a command to hoodrats in the hood can get you all the respect that Chinese Gordon got at Khartoum from the Mahdi." (lafond)
asciilifeform: then can have 'speed demon' branch of the thing.
asciilifeform: there's no reason not to bake similar asmisms for e.g. add/sub/neg, shifts, etc. tho.
lobbesbot: bvt: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, and 14 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> ty for digging up the 1801 materials; dun suppose you could get the author in here ?
bvt: hi. the exact cut will depend on what % of ops in barret are mults
asciilifeform: i fully expect that the asmistic branch of ffa will be sewn out of bvt's item
asciilifeform: at any rate it's great, bvt did already 60-70% of what asciilifeform thought he would have to do himself after errything else
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bvt's asmism is correct near as i can tell ( i have not walked with magnifying glass. ) the 1 gotcha is that the actual win from'em aint measurable until bolt'em onto ch14b+ ( where knuth's division is no longer the bulk of the cpu load )
mp_en_viaje: and you know... weeding. doesn't look like much, esp not to town girl, till she gets to do it.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, i got a house, i thas a garden.
asciilifeform: ( ... or was this the 'partidul mp' hq thing..? )
mp_en_viaje put the girls to weeding garden.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 07:43 BingoBoingo: I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked,
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912683 << asciilifeform was dumb enuff to buy a couple of these. opened, 'fuck, this is same material as in blog!' they're propping up monitors nao. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: There is a 50 peso coin made of a sort of bronze of similar size, but... The steel 10 peso coin has more mass
BingoBoingo: Slot a cold one in the crack
BingoBoingo: Well, an escalation from the tickle fights
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/#selection-227.160-231.236 << The coins here are steel which means the way to excite a bored latina is put the heavy 10 peso coins in the freezer to chill.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Small town problems.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/ << Trilema -- Diviziuna sexual-a muncii : fetele la gym, io la vidya. ? Tot acolo!
BingoBoingo: Before I understood the awful pichi accents (accent clarity degrades rapidly with declining social position here) I answered all the bum requests with "Ya tengo" whether I have the item in question or not. Got the time "Ya tengo", Want Maracoña "Ya tengo", Una Moneda para comer algo "Ya tengo", etc. Don't stop scowl and eventually the pool of potential new bums runs out.
BingoBoingo: Well, you are a person who needs the time.
mp_en_viaje: the irony of it all being that i ask people for the time ALL THE GOD DAMNED TIME
BingoBoingo: It is. Was hard to tell it was one he engaged in because the site is so disorganized, yet here we are.
mp_en_viaje: now that is one stupid fucking habit
BingoBoingo: http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10996 also close to what I remember, but not quite
BingoBoingo: But https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309 seems to be the canon explainer
BingoBoingo: I swear I remember him elaborating in a story about this point, but Lafond does the insane thing where when he makes enough stories to do a book, he frequently purges the text from his site because it has been booked, ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: was it maybe tlp ?!
BingoBoingo: I've got some options, could swear I remember a better piece from lafond on the subject
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, can you do me a solid and fish out the lafond piece where he explains how white dorks think, "black man asking for the time hasn't done any overt aggressive act, therefore can't crack him one" ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 00:45 asciilifeform: ( likbez : the 'sprat men' had highest standard of living in entire sovok. today -- lowest in eureich, 50-60% of male population cleaning toilets in berlin, london )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912563 << but there's the smartphones. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Yeah, dunno why they didn't just go for pine.
mp_en_viaje: high resin, and some of the hoghest quality resin in the world. i don't think they can be swept manually. need a drezine.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to learn the word for chimneysweep in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure I haven't seen ads for any
BingoBoingo: It is and yet, for some awful reason in 1989 they started a program of planting forests of the stuff to have a domestic fuel reserve
mp_en_viaje: eucalyptus is actually terribru firewood
BingoBoingo: Smog isn't as bad as it was earlier tonight, but it still smells like a coughdrop bondfire outside
BingoBoingo: Because everyone in this country is camping means firewood is the local energy resource
BingoBoingo: There's also Quintas with 5 hectares of eucalyptus which means defending and energy store from theft.
BingoBoingo: Because the mass market is dumb
BingoBoingo: Possible. "Gala" cultivars have made it here though which means anything else is a niche.
asciilifeform: or to distill rotgut
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The cultivar in that case. "Pink Lady" doesn't sell here.
mp_en_viaje: t's not fucking half -- exactly in the sense buying one lottery ticket doesn't give you half of the tickets held by the guy holding WINNING lottery tickets)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 14:51 mircea_popescu: the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking.
mp_en_viaje: (this is a major kek for me whenever among "bdsm people". all sorta incels who explain it to themselves not as strict incapacity, but as selectivity, "i can't find a woman because i want a SLAVE not just a gf". hurr durr. then they figure i have two, and this means twice more than one, and hm... this local guy doing the local flabour of nursing precious cuntlets services has one... so that's half". no, i ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's wrong with apple trees ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways in other examples: https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-461759843-casa-quinta-en-venta-melilla-2-dormitorios-financia-_JM << "protegido por la DINAMA" means "Fuck you, worthless" and https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-462960529-en-melilla-_JM << All of these apple trees need replaced with something marketable
mp_en_viaje: the whole schtick re slaves is that ~selected~.
asciilifeform: and yea can readily see mp_en_viaje's pt re the serfs
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ? << Other odd marginal benefit of particular linked example. Rare Quinta with fiber.
mp_en_viaje: cost more to feed than their inept efforts bring etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate i'ma let the folx who actually have 200k, think about whether good deal, for asciilifeform sadly academic q entirely.
mp_en_viaje: nobody wants the serfs now, like nobody wanted the blacks in 1819. like nobody wanted the gypsies in ro at the same time.
mp_en_viaje: however, you can't have the house. that costs actual money. it's by utility, see ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 17:26 mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you can have the small town, complete with serfs, and won't cost all of 200k either. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911973 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: 200k in my barrio gets recent 1 bedroom or problem 2 bedroom, some interesting "horizantal" properties. Never more than 75 sqmeters on list (though nothing sells for list)
mp_en_viaje: 6 hectares = 60`000 square meters, ~650`000 square feet. cents to the sqft, you object to ? whai ?
asciilifeform: would expect , in orcistan, a small town, for 200k
mp_en_viaje: so then why scoff at 3500 sqft
BingoBoingo: And if the grazers don't get moved in a healthy rotation pasture goes desert as in all of the old world
mp_en_viaje: yup. and then the cows need milking. or else cow mastitis, and dead cows, and flies.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, even in orchard, grass still has to be cut. at least 3 times a year.
mp_en_viaje: even if "i make orchard" -- either you cut the trees, clean them and generally support them, or you end up with a mess. a hectare is easily 2-3k trees, a tree is easily 20-30 hours a year, do the math.
mp_en_viaje: there's no out in the absolute sense (except of course yest helmet, i guess)
mp_en_viaje: you'll still have to do SOME maintenance on your property.