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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato! turns out otp has its very own lilienfeld
gernika: mod6: my 99996 node is wedging every 1k blocks or so. I would be happy to apply any logging or debugging patches that might be out there to help track down the problem.
gribble: Frank Miller (cryptography) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Miller_(cryptography)>; One-time pad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad>; Frank Miller: Inventor of the One-Time Pad [pdf] - Columbia University: <http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~CS4HS/talks/FrankMillerOneTimePad.pdf>
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu knows differently, and can show it, historians would like to know
asciilifeform: otp is ww1 state of the art.
mircea_popescu: i don't need "experts" and "universities" to tell me 1800 state of the art.
mircea_popescu: so - if "cryptologists" can not produce what i ask of them - their wives, to the brothel, they themselves to the mines, for fraud. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: POINT BEING that in order to justify his oats, horse better pull cart more than donkey.
mircea_popescu: which... i dun recall the last time i used a message longer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> otp. << if the key is 64kb, technically otp would work fine for message up to 64kb.
thestringpuller: an exercise for the reader is always a good exercise. I'll see what 'netsec' tards at work say to that question.
asciilifeform: (find me ~one~ 'netsec' tard who can explain how the curves are chosen)
asciilifeform: partly that ecc systems are poorly understood and trivial to trapdoor and kleptographically diddle, very usg-friendly
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 15:35:48; asciilifeform: problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa.
thestringpuller: i figure it's disinformation. but who am I to argue with "crypto experts!!!11" and such
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: dunno if this was in logs. but why is the "crypto comoonity" opposed to RSA?
asciilifeform: there are charlatans who will happily help you self-delude that it has been done, however.
asciilifeform: now one could try to prove that extracting this information usefully is computationally intractable. but this is never been publicly done.
asciilifeform: in any ciphersystem ~other~ than otp, the ciphertext carries, theoretically, ~some~ information re: the key.
asciilifeform: if i tell you that X xor Y == 1, you cannot infer X and Y, only that one is 1 and other is 0
asciilifeform: (the otp proof is kindergarten-level - the ciphertext tells you nothing at all - as in 0 bits - about the key or the plaintext)
asciilifeform: (if it had, it is a very well-kept secret, better kept than, e.g., nuke etc)
asciilifeform: afaik no effort to produce another has ever yielded anything.
asciilifeform: the major boojum re: asking for (as i asked for) a cipher that has an actual mathematical proof of security, is that there is precisely one such known,
asciilifeform: to briefly return to the cipher thread,
BingoBoingo: So six ton golf car roughly after fending off volcanoes and bears with oars from boat
asciilifeform: bonus, the carriage never gets cold...
asciilifeform: which puts you right where you probably wanted to be.
asciilifeform: this output would correspond to ~ 1-3 horses.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a tonne or two
asciilifeform: catch is, you will have to smuggle it out of kamchatka by rowboat
asciilifeform: and the eternal, unrusting ferrari on the 100 year track, slowly creeping.
asciilifeform: find me this candle.
asciilifeform: which turns into a mathematically plausible but physically-ludicrous discussion akin to 'candle burning for 100 years will move a ferrari 1km forward'
asciilifeform: (and, as per earlier thread, unemployment)
asciilifeform: in which case you get the ridiculous american number of 30. which assumes an ideal spherical horse of an empire where the chump actually keeps getting that 100k for 30 years, and it isn't eaten away at by spiraling costs of fuel, food, medical, etc.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398011 << closer to 10. ~unless~ you use my magic formula and compute using ~the money you have left over to actually pay for the thing~ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "if you make the list of places, and cross out the places where you woujldn't want to be seen, the result is the list of cool places"
mircea_popescu: you have to understand cool is a political concept, much like "declase" in french salon world of 1800.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is what cool means.
BingoBoingo: Well, the taco commander had to get paid
mircea_popescu: then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool. ☟︎
asciilifeform: not so much 'cool' as 'one of the only few things that there were'
mircea_popescu: i remember the days, back when the mothers of the current crop of internet kids were still sucking cock on public grounds, that slashdot was really cool.
mircea_popescu: o wow, this is like 4chan now ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. << I did that troll
mircea_popescu: they decided that the true reason (tm) must be workfunction-something.
asciilifeform: what, word 'block' does not even exist for these folk outside of bitcoin terminology ?
asciilifeform: now what i don't grasp is how the bitcoin block size thing wormed its way into that thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform finding threads for events after the event is a fun sort of historical game. nevertheless, the events are the events.
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl )
mircea_popescu: dude wasn't slashdot supposed to be made out of informed people and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: FANCY THAT!
mircea_popescu: derp #2 : Nothing. The guy is just a fool who believes that bigger block size is better. He's a very obvious sufferer of the Dunning Kruger effect [wikipedia.org]
mircea_popescu: ake this postining). Even the NSA trusts AES enough to certify it for use protecting top secret information."
mircea_popescu: derp #1 : "What is wrong with existing block ciphers like AES? AES has been in widespread use for over a decade and to the best of my knowledge, there is still no practical attack on it (unless someone has built a working quantum computer and not told anyone about it). Its totally free of patents and IP issues. Its been implemented in a huge variety of hardware and software (including the Intel CPU that I am using to m ☟︎
asciilifeform: but perhaps this is not quite what mircea_popescu had in mind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i saw the 'multicore' fad as more or less equivalent to a public proclamation of 'moore's law is dead'
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is best one yet.
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2megabytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ofAg33 )
BingoBoingo: It's amazing the people still around https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012359.html
mircea_popescu: well... i suppose if you find prior art re moore's law ima buy slashdot and redirect it to logs.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:45:04; mircea_popescu: see alf ? you don't know things!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398004 << this is glorious, can we get the knowing-things fella in here somehow ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i wish to see place where person in position of management/responsibility makes decision and publicly backs it by plain statement that moore law's a delusion.
asciilifeform: what there ~was~ is some vague 'hope of comeback' from magical wunderwaffen fabrication tech
mircea_popescu: apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. apparently my slaves are "whores" because hey, "it's unfair" or whatever.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:35:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397992 << mno, it was quite readily dead in '07 and iirc apparent to most literate folk ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's all this constant "oh i know why this person that's better than me did what he did, let me tell you!" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is "breakinjg down" about me telling some random farmer at political rally why he can't have living wage ?
mircea_popescu: i dun understand all this coloring.
assbot: Mircea Popescu - Sesiune training Birda, Timis on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1nPgJpL )
mircea_popescu: I think I know what (s)he is talking about - it's similar to this one https://vimeo.com/7125141 [vimeo.com] , and involves MP breaking down in the face of confrontation. Not necessarily crying per se, but he acts like a kid who has been told he can't go out and play until he eats his broccoli. Might even be the same event, but this video was put out by MP and is edited to make MP look good, at least in his own eyes. <<
asciilifeform: there is NEVER any shortage of folks who will do $work for $maxint. they will fly down from mars if you pay enough.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:33:13; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397985 << there is an eternal unmet demand of folks who will do $work for ~$free. hence indians imported, etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and it is routine for rapists to kill their victims, in same anglo world. what of it ?
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:30:26; mircea_popescu: dude... fuck delusional "courts bans". no court has the power to prevent public communication OF ANYTHING.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397983 << actually in anglo world it is routine for a prisoner to be held incommunicado. handy publication ban of whatever you like. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and now my dear friends, ima be off to send keys over wires. bbl.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:16:03; danielpbarron: turn based, so latency isn't an issue
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397955 << thread was about gpu. do you understand what gpu is and is for ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is better than the circus.
mircea_popescu: movingkeys over the wire!
mircea_popescu: from same person, five minutes later, "Wait. 'Uses a 64 kbyte key' - is he mad? Does he realize the trouble he will have to go through when he has to transport over a network, or do a key agreement on, keys of that size?"
mircea_popescu: see alf ? you don't know things! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: of course you can get the exact same also free, but then again that requires "skill".
mircea_popescu: you can buy the same results from google for ~ 1-300 bucks, and seeing how slashdot has 15 items per first page and apparently a new set daily, the upper bound of its productive value would then be somewhere between 45000 and say 100k per month.
mircea_popescu: 19ish to 14ish let's say, about 19 hours. the net value of being a majorily contested news item on slashdot first page is ~3500 unique visitors, ~4500 pages read for an average of 1.28 (or in practice, using the 1% rule, ~3 people read the news item and left, ~300 people read 3-4 pages each and may be back).
mircea_popescu: o look at that, bb's story still on slashdot first page.
mircea_popescu: then again, history is written by the coincidentors.
mircea_popescu: this is all coincidence and has exactly nothing to do with mp, of course.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 13:58:34; pete_d_out: speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 13:52:23; BingoBoingo: Cloud gaming is how they suppose they will feed iPads 3D graphics
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397768 << oh it was in the logs already. ☝︎