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mircea_popescu: "1998-10-29 dscott@networkusa.net: "It is obvious that mixinf three different types of ciphers would be better than Triple DES...." << well, it's CERTAINLY obvious that mixing TWO types is better than double-des
asciilifeform: now who wants to try bernstein!
asciilifeform: will admit that i'll be a little surprised if he answers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote to blaze.
mircea_popescu: howly shit, a 7500 town worth 2mn, and the bribes going to mayor ~ part of a used car ?
pete_d_out: start with the small towns, then the mid-size towns, then the bigger towns ?
assbot: Den of corruption: FBI arrests all but one local official in Texas town — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnHopq )
pete_d_out: contravex turns two years old on february 22nd :)
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398875 << and further felicitations are due to ben v ! ☝︎
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399063 << also (in the last few weeks) first time the market cap of qntra has breached 100 btc. to both of which, bravo bravo bravo ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma quite definitely be spending moar time in wolf form.
mircea_popescu: lol i see you like the wolf form idea!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401405 << solved in the same way travelling salesman is 'solved' ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whole thing is a riot, worth reading on rainy day.
mircea_popescu: fuck this stupid shit already omfg.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile notice that EVERYONE is on aes to the degree people are treating it like windows.
mircea_popescu: strong.' Why? Because we *can't* know how strong our ciphers *really* are to the other guy. But we *can* -- guaranteed -- make The Opponent pay dearly to keep up.""
mircea_popescu: "1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "We *never* know that a cipher is strong. Ever." "Now, we might 'consider' a cipher strong when all *our* guys have looked at it and found no break. But, quite frankly, the *other* guys have more training, more experience, more resources, more time, and they may even be smarter than our guys." "I claim it is more important to have many different ciphers than to have a few which are 'considered
mircea_popescu: "1998-10-18 dscott@networkusa.net: "Part of the NSA job is to keep the world in the dark about real ctypto. Think about it. What better way to do it than by creating crypto preists for people to whorship."" and apparently this was well understood 18 years ago, also.
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-18 W T Shaw: "In Bruce's work, there are sinful omissions and comissions, but the subject is so large that this would always be a surity in some form. To judge his character, we will see if he mentions in the future any things he has previously ignored and have been pointed out directly to him." << no. as confirmed throughout and including 18 years later.
mircea_popescu: " everything looks like a boolean satisfiability problem. This problem, also called SAT, is NP-complete, which means that every instance of any problem in NP can be efficiently reduced to a SAT instance. And, importantly, there are SAT solvers out there which are very efficient for many problems encountered in practice."
ben_vulpes: stop paying lizard hitler for entries in his global lookup table
asciilifeform: someday make what the Soviet Union had look like a dream of a long
asciilifeform: like is the spying on Americans for political reasons that will
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-l0ltr0n from ages gone by, http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NEWS3/MEMO.HTM#36292906.1151332@news.visi.com
thestringpuller: removes itops out of the equation in lieu of developers slowly losing sanity to ruby
thestringpuller: a configuration management tool for devops
thestringpuller: "Don't wanna deal with this bullshit? Buy puppet enterprise today!"
thestringpuller: puppet really shit the bed on their open source project
asciilifeform: why did this even ship with a binary ?
thestringpuller: like wtf are these people doing when the put together package management
thestringpuller: the one that shipped with the product that uses it doesn't even have the symbol in it?!?!?
thestringpuller: so I run readelf on all the libcrypto***.so's
thestringpuller: so I get this error " EC_GROUP_new_curve_GF2m symbol not found at runtime link blah blah"
thestringpuller: but apparently it doesn't know how to find the right .so to link
asciilifeform: and apparently the man died yesterday, and his site is gone.
thestringpuller: the thing ships with it's own libcrypto library
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: today from the mines. I'm setting up puppet which uses openssl
mircea_popescu: but in other news, i shall brb, for duty calls. ( http://49.media.tumblr.com/41d2478fe09e54b02e6239e54c59bb07/tumblr_nxpjm8l98j1qlne6uo1_500.gif duty is the one wearing white)
mircea_popescu: mubarak days. better times.
mircea_popescu: but this ran up to the dozen.
asciilifeform: everybody's quite friendly 'in group of less than three'
asciilifeform: also i will note that orcs are, where typically found, trained-dumb in a number of easily identifiable ways.
asciilifeform: prolly same reason why i and many folks like tame animals more than most people.
asciilifeform: let's talk to it, too ?
asciilifeform: neither is the dirt under my feet.
mircea_popescu: but herein we find the elixir of my tolerance of orcs that perhaps bedazzles you alf. this is it : they may be stupid, but at least they're not TRAINEDLY dumb.
mircea_popescu: stupidity of this caliber can't be naturally produced, has to be learned.
asciilifeform: '1. Someone proposes a scheme based on Hard Problem X. X looks strong, but the resulting scheme either is too slow or has gigantic keys. 2. Someone else comes along and proposes a related scheme based on Hard Problem Y which, having more structure, allows for either smaller keys or faster computation. 3. Later turns out this extra structure also helps the attacker.'
assbot: This sort of thing is a recurring theme in cryptography:1. Someone proposes a ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbgFOg )
mircea_popescu: hey, some of us are visual thinkers.
mircea_popescu: yes, it may take a while to zoom you in. ok!
mircea_popescu: but currently, a box wherein you input code on one end, and it outputs this peculiar graph at arbitrary zoom level is the most valuable computer i can think of.
asciilifeform: if you ~know~ the class of weak keys, you can define them not-keys and have no weak keys !
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 18:12:58; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'for your convenience we have packaged the defective transistors separately' ? (famous)
mircea_popescu: show me the 1024kb graph of arbitrary scheme.
mircea_popescu: in principle, at 100% granularity this would then result in an image 2^256 or however many pixesl wide. fine.
mircea_popescu: you know, so this algo has N keys, fine, the space is N. caqlculate the complexity for all of them, sort the weakest to the left, draw it for me.
mircea_popescu: oh wow, bitbet uses google charts, i forgot. anyway. likew one of the bitbet charts!
mircea_popescu: holy shit what the fuck happened
mircea_popescu: looking exactly like this : https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chs=240x45&cht=ls&chco=FFFFFF,FF9900,FFFFFF&chd=t:100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,1
mircea_popescu: but you know what i want ? i want it to output a fucking graph!
mircea_popescu: ie the problem could be reducxible
asciilifeform: incidentally, i suppose that this is when i confess that this is actually my day job
mircea_popescu: and this should NOT in general be as hard as to actually break any one key.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the more i think about this tyhe more im convinced our problems are really one problem : the absence of a proved mechanism to create the difficulty graph of a primitive.
asciilifeform: (lulzier when we get ~different~ arithmetic!11 as in the otp mega-thread)
mircea_popescu: what we want is some actual methods to calculate the difficulty curve over the space
asciilifeform: hey maths are the same for everybody.
mircea_popescu: well... yeah i dunno how you'd do that.
asciilifeform: impossible to say ~average case~ complexity
mircea_popescu: listen this is getting ridiculous lol.
asciilifeform: it is tricky.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually started with this
mircea_popescu: have the message specify the conditionation, and then how the fuck are you going to extract it if you don't know what you're starting from
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, another thought occurs : maybe the way to go is make the key a matrix and go for something like the maximum volume submatrix problem somewhere in there.
asciilifeform: but apparently this is not a thing
asciilifeform: and that it might be called 'to make hasty pudding'
asciilifeform: and when i first saw it mentioned, some years back, i actually thought it was named for shitting oneself
asciilifeform: massive turd
asciilifeform: let the man speak for himself.
asciilifeform: i'ma write to herr blaze, then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just that, "look into turtle"
mircea_popescu: im sure that he had his fill of those. talk of interesting things to him instead.
asciilifeform: oh and now i'm curious what the spam said
asciilifeform: i see nothing that sets off my allergies, astonishingly
assbot: Matt Blaze: How Law Enforcement Tracks Cellular Phones ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWd4Xl )
asciilifeform: and the rest of his blog, lulzy
assbot: Matt Blaze: Exhaustive Search Goes to Law School ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWd0qk )
asciilifeform: he's the one who broke randi's cipher
asciilifeform: further dig reveals that it was mentioned in a few places, fwiw.
asciilifeform: i dug up this old luger in the forest, aha. and i've no idea whether it fires forwards or backwards, of yet.
asciilifeform: and no, i don't have a vintage copy of this thing on dead tree, or the like
mircea_popescu: so you were independently looking at this and from before ?
asciilifeform: note, i have not gone over the proof!
mircea_popescu: i thought you had just went from a comment i just published. except i hadn't.
mircea_popescu: wait... i never published this item
asciilifeform: (or did this, too, come up in the spam filter)
asciilifeform: vs the two linked
mircea_popescu: hey, btw, did THAT vc powered bs mix ever come to anything ?