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mircea_popescu: contrary
to what
the kids [like
to {pretend like
they're}]
think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in
the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is
the larger half.
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar
to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine
the only workable basis.
mircea_popescu: well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who
the fuck dies
to defend... 8ball motels ?
mircea_popescu: (i am not, as it may appear on
the strength of
the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing
that
this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.)
mircea_popescu: "it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish
to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of
them, right now"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now
think about it : would random usian engage hobo on
the grounds
that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on
the simple grounds of ~having been passing by
there~ ?
trinque: the state is
the ultimate owner of all property, so
they
told
the bois. how
then could anyone possibly have
territory?
mircea_popescu: a fine example in
this vein would be
the case of a late night
trip, during which a drunk hobo on
the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: patriotism, in
this case, is a willingness
to die
to defend your
territory, as you define it - NOT as some woman defines it.
mircea_popescu: the boi, in
this case, is
theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker.
mircea_popescu: it similarly works on everything i
try, so i dunno.
tis sad
tho.
mircea_popescu: "the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into
the
theory
that satisfying
the desires of women is more important
than satisfying
the needs of men."
mircea_popescu: the current crop of bois have all
the patriotism of a wet noodle.
trinque: asciilifeform: were
the dbusified ports
tree otherwise, would
that change your assessment of obsd?
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, but did
they not affect decisions elsewhere in
the kernel?
trinque: I can see all
this, yet meanwhile linux has hypervisors and keychains and complex abstractions around "namespaces" and "containers" and ...
BingoBoingo: ALso possible,
Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages
mircea_popescu: so in
this sense... lizzards got petrified, moved in, stole it.
mircea_popescu: the
tenuous
thread of
theo's own person is not enough
to keep
this shit
together, because he's
too jwz-ish
to engage
the more important half - politics.
mircea_popescu: i would say
that openbsd pre 2014 and openbsd post 2014 are entirely unrelated entities.
trinque: I run without dbus as well, and understand fully why
this is a Good
Thing
trinque: it causes me
to seriously consider producing a ports
tree of my own
BingoBoingo: But anyways
the enemy here is m:tier specifically
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if
the question you are about
to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself
the favour and save yourself
the wrath.
trinque: it is whether linux is fit(ter)
that I question.
trinque: I can agree readily
that's a sin
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But for many purposes
that's all box needs
to do. Emacs up
the
text somewhere else.
trinque: ^
that much is
true, and something I quite like
felipelalli: At least
they really care about security. I
tried
to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt).
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform>
there is no openbsd sans
the ports. <<
The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box
trinque: because from where I sit
the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: alf hates
the OpenBSD ports
turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and
the occasional userland shitgnomery
trinque: horse shit; I've built all manner of
things myself
trinque: this is distinct from
talking about openbsd
mircea_popescu: in general - if
the question you are about
to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself
the favour and save yourself
the wrath.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like
the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something
that probably needs
to be helped die
mircea_popescu: aha. ever-more
testing
the bounds of insanity,
too. it's fun
to watch.
mircea_popescu: "it is forbidden
to suggest solutions
to
the septic problem
that involve any manner of removing shit from
the stack"
BingoBoingo: Noted, more can be added in comments by
the knowlegable
BingoBoingo: But could be built against glibc so I
think my wording is correct.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked
the NEED for glibc