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asciilifeform: because not separable from usg in any meaningful way except - DEFINITIONALLY - by entering the wot and doing a LONG tour of duty as a Real Person
asciilifeform: as last night.
asciilifeform: lulzily, eerom uses ~same chipset as the linked ^ above !!
asciilifeform: *as if
mircea_popescu: what, next you're going to say we have actual proof the usg had been running a string of massive conspiracies, such as you know, inserting backdoors in software, such as "parallel construction", such as iran contra, such as whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: large scale conspiracy such as telling idiots they're not idiots could never happen. why would an idiot ever believe he's not an idiot ?!
mircea_popescu: might as well demand trump learns a foreign language.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the “new” ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i guess "community organizing" doesn't pay as well as one'd have expected or w/e.
asciilifeform: also i will note, it is somewhat more difficult to bludgeon morons as a dervish, than from a dirigible.
mircea_popescu: yes, your dismissal of dear luc is, by some sort of exterior standard, correct. this is not the same as confronting the offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~, which is what i had in mind.
mircea_popescu: anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even that reliably. savant still stupid. it DID work to destroy any usable (by us) notion of stupidity, as far as the harpy wailchorus is concerned.
trinque: +asciilifeform | but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium. << what, you thought I was satisfied with "learns" as a complete description?
asciilifeform: computer, as i like to point out, very much is a boeing with feathers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lsd is ~very~ unstable unless dry crystal kept in the dark. hence why it did not work out as chemical weapon.
asciilifeform: or how many hectares of wheat need to be ergoted to make so much as ONE 'drum of pure lsd'
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 21:51:30; mircea_popescu: no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all.
mircea_popescu: "The Police recovered over $500,000 worth of lab equipment stolen from the University, along with 3 hand guns, an assault rifle, 50 years’ worth of military grade rations and twelve 55 gallon barrels (including three almost empty barrels) of what DEA labs have identified as pure liquid Lysergic acid diethylamide, a powerful hallucinogenic drug more commonly known as the street name LSD or Acid."
mircea_popescu: no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all. ☟︎
asciilifeform: elsewhere this process is known as 'deskilling'
asciilifeform: no industrial giant remotely contemplated funding the other kind of chess (and there ~was~ work, as recently as early '80s)
asciilifeform: as per earlier thread.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm admitting it as a sin, not proposing it as a moral.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:38:44; assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
asciilifeform: to convincingly throw, would take at least the same skill as to win.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, i read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427949 and wondering about footnote x. despite standing to lose some coin, i do not see how the bet ought to be seen as a sham ☝︎
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, turks carried on a healthy, 'asiatic' sort of unbureaucratized barbarism for quite some time - witness how well they got on, for how long, without banks, for instance
mircea_popescu: as theory. this theory had lain fallow since suleyman.
asciilifeform: as recently as edison.
mircea_popescu: anyway - i welcome the antivirus-based new gestapo. it will doubtlessly work as well as the new us model army, seen at the muchly trumpeted, quickly forgotten tikrit offensive.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the current crud exists just as alchemy once existed, you expect alchemist to understand modern chemistry?
mircea_popescu: let the beluga take its unfortunate form emergently to mr doctor X, so as to receive bookend implants.
mircea_popescu: specifically, that these black roe, large and soft as were put before her, are evidently inferior to true black roe, as she always gets at [we're skipping this, lest we shame the third party]. which are small, much, much smaller, needle sized, and tough, so you can crack them in your teeth.
mircea_popescu: fucking dogs do it, some of them at least, as per that experiment discussed in the logs.
trinque: it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification is a much nearer goal than AI, as the brain's own ability to handle new inputs can be leaned upon
trinque: as it might be drastically different from noggin to noggin
nubbins`: consciousness as well
asciilifeform: but as far as i'm concerned, it began and ended with eurisko.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
asciilifeform: so you get a box that sorta, most of the time, does X, but 1) sometimes fails spectacularly for no apparent reason, as if 'alive' and 2) teaches the builder ~absolutely nothing~ useful about X
asciilifeform: and was just as true
nubbins`: investors apparently took the pronouncement as a sign of things... not being quite well.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable << INtolerable, obviously. and in all fields. much like a smoky kitchen wall is tolerable for just as long as you don't see any actual white stuff for contrast. but bring in a new stove, suddenly the wall needs a paintjob too.
asciilifeform: in exactly same sense as 'gunpowder' means krupp and not chinese fireforks from 1500s
mircea_popescu: now, as to 2 :
mircea_popescu: the statement was as to the problem and its expression.
asciilifeform: there are strictly two 'solutions' i know of, 1) get born as mircea_popescu and stay on dirigible as much as possible 2) go perelman and live in the forest with bears and lynx
mircea_popescu: 1 should be easy to expand upon. you are familiar with the issues of maintaining software in the beleaguered c world, from what i've seen in the logs. such as you know, no more static linking now. gotta support utf now. (most relevant here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-02-2016#1418193 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: which is what, in any proper sense of the term, "bitcoin" and "crypto" even mean. not fucking pgp as seen by the zimmerman that "oh i don't even have the key anymore"
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, at least to my eyes. it was just as large, if not nearly as expressible, before the age of bitcoin. by which, to be perfectly specific, i do not mean satoshi crapolade. i mean bitcoinb as in tmsr, and wot and ba and such.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary. ☟︎
mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 04:10:08; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police sh
danielpbarron: removed them after that paste; it only ever effected pasted, as I rarely type the words it would replace
fluffypony: I generally agree with the "don't be a giant douchenozzle" principle, and as long as employees are operating in any capacity representing one of my companies they don't have permission to be a giant douchenozzle on my behalf (what they do in their own time and of their own volition I don't care about)
mircea_popescu: trinque> rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva <<< a raw tx manipulator for trb is prolly a very useful item, really.
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pete_dushenski: trinque: have you tried 'sendtoaddress' as well ?
trinque: rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427504 << read as 'headfist mining by gavinandresen', thought this sounded like a brighter, cheekier side of the old coon. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca ☟︎
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition
kakobrekla: perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small.
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hanbot: mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum.
mircea_popescu: ben_vouspes> as predicted. << predicted my foot. you've prolly not even noticed that trilema's previous article was "color of money", or that the current one continues in the "trolling the idiots" vein.
ben_vouspes: as predicted.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne> nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet << there is no such thing as "the company wallet".
mircea_popescu: the whole incident is certainly a fine example of why b-a and the world generally can't work as a "mp supported" thing. gotta be very expensive to be a lord, or else self-flattery is much to powerful a force.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile other people did things, and there he sat on ass, thinking to himself "oh heh, am i fucking special - all these idiots are sweating bullets and i think i'm exactly the same as them but much smarter because I'm not even doing anything!". aka sprezzatura, ie what happens when you overfeed and underbeat the children.
mircea_popescu: he sat in the chan counting his bellybutton lint for years, making inept arguments about pointless shit - he lost all of them, but hey, as long as mp doesn't come straight out with "you're stupid, go back to school" one needn't notice this actually happened, can just as well pretend that blabla.
nubbins`: danielpbarron as of right now it's "are my winnings coming?"
asciilifeform: (they will go to the same place as the last crate, if you still have the addr)
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for nubbins` from -1 to -3 with note: Suffers from the misguided notion that bitcoin companies are subject to the same rules as fiat
asciilifeform: nubbins`: did you miss the part where i point out that ~all of MY coin is just as 'mpex'y
danielpbarron: this is like when some celeb gets outed as a womanizer and all the girlies out out of nowhere to retroactively claim he touched her
nubbins`: do you know what they call it when the CEO uses the company's bank account as his own personal bank account also?
solrodar: that isn't necessarily fraudulent, as long as everything's properly accounted for
asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw pretty much all of my own coin would appear as 'mpex funds' per your analysis.
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's funds moving out of MPEx address and ending up as inputs to tx "B"
mircea_popescu: PeterL here's the thing : in my scrollback you appear as engaged in a lengthy monologue which twice now highlighted me. are you going to take a break on your own or do i have to ignore you for a while ?
mircea_popescu: "As for requirement [4], my sofa may have bugs, such as mites, spiders, or maybe even fleas. However, I have found no evidence on the web that such invertebrates have the power to cause theft of anything, much less theft of digital assets on other sidechains."
PeterL: usually it is there as a small change in the total assets
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? <<< i'm not saying you should have taken the same amount of $$ for running s.nsa as i should have for a dozen hours' work.
mircea_popescu: if that still stands as good law.
nubbins`: if i'd not recevied any cash, but stock warrant only -- i'd be as broke as you, no?
nubbins`: i said shares as remuneration is a fish hook
asciilifeform: also nubbins` seems to be painting kakobrekla as a helpless pet of mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: at that point, i was trying to get a court system off the ground, similarly with random people as judges.
nubbins`: i have no idea why some of you cannot see this place as nothing more than a "cool kids club"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as you know, i very frequently disagree with him. you could prolly make a whole book of these.
mircea_popescu: as time goes on, the bar raises, and many/most/whatever can't cope.
PeterL: as a lucky bettor, I would be willing to refund the extra winnings, minus a "processing fee"
jurov: mircea_popescu: only if hanbot argues against fraudsters as usual
danielpbarron: as have you.
ben_vouspes: PeterL: ah, that's simple! traders get fired as soon as they mean revert.
trinque: insofar as an agreement between the owners defines such things
PeterL: for the record, I view it as a stupid mistake on mp's part, not fraud, so I am fine with having sold my shares I will just let things be