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assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is
today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
mircea_popescu: the costs go
to
the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost
the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit,
that's
the fucking point of advertising
to consumers.
mircea_popescu: ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes
to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
mircea_popescu: obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got
to lose ? costs 0 for him.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: "Because
the cost of increasing
the limit is lower
than
the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing
that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork."
https://archive.is/u1Dv9 assbot: Successfully updated
the rating for petertodd from 2
to -1 with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
assbot: You rated user petertodd on 01-May-2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied
these additional notes:
the gift cert expert..
assbot: Successfully updated
the rating for bluematt from 1
to -1 with note: historically respectable bitcoin
tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort
to break bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: !rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin
tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort
to break bitcoin.
assbot: You rated user bluematt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied
these additional notes: one of
the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
mircea_popescu: i will get around
to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with
this life,
though.
mircea_popescu: no idea who
the fuck uses any of
that crap anyway, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: nobody is
to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked
there.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are
to be negrated on sight.
mircea_popescu: Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter
Todd, Kang Xie,
mircea_popescu: alrighty
then, for
the n-th fucking
time,
this blabla.
mircea_popescu: the zombie world entirely exists out of
that iota less.
phf: "i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in
the year of our republic 1932, having devoted
three months
to
the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down
to
transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by
the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: jurov: yes,
this script uses
the user keyring
jurov: mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails
to verify against 59C36319
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer
ben_vulpes: i
think
that i understand
the windows comment now
mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is
today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it hastabe.
there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish,
to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
ben_vulpes: strictly a release
tool for
the free world,
then.
mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say
to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given
tyhe developer enough control over it".
this is anathema, and
the source of
the "llvm-ization" comment.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the important parts here being
that v does away with
the concept of developer control over code ; and with
the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces
the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: guy
tries
to find
the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit,
then
tries
to make friends with
the people and put his fucking code in,
to FORCE it upon
the fucking userbase.
mircea_popescu: CONTRARY
to
this sane process, in
the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
mircea_popescu: or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs
that.
mircea_popescu: people in
the senate floor of
the most serene republic notice
the silly
things
the kids are doing in bed
these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes
that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: depends how good
the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
mircea_popescu: the girl, upon visiting, notices
this, likes
the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
mircea_popescu: he decides he wants
to add
three lines of code
to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write
those lines of code, sign
them, add his own sig in
the wot and voila.
mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after
the republic prevailed,
through his gf at
the
time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: i'm still
trying
to cook up a syllogism over here
mircea_popescu: actually ben_vulpes it occurs
to me, maybe
the following description of final state is helpful :
ben_vulpes: thanks mod6, no need
to kill yourself driving at 90mph
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now
the situation is ridiculous.
mod6: Thanks for everyone
taking
the
time, I know it's not pain-free with some of
this stuff yet.
mircea_popescu: yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you
to live longer
than
the road
there.
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need
to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence
the self-imposed deadline here.
mircea_popescu: you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not
the end of
the world.
mod6: if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get
through
this one step at a
time
tonight.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo note how
they STILL WON'T FIX
THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about
to destroy more of
the interconnected nature of
the web ? "automattic got usg's back -
turn off other people and only
talk
to disqus!!1"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i dunno how
to better approach
this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it
takes us ?
mircea_popescu: do understand
that it is simply not acceptable in new
things.
ben_vulpes: i am not well versed enough in
the history of gcc and llvm
to understand
this.
mircea_popescu: i understand
that
the pressure
to say "oh it's
the weekend can
turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
mircea_popescu: mno.
the enveloping of a
tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as
to be safely operated by
the opposite.
ben_vulpes: the
turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric
tool?
ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun
to
tell east from west
mircea_popescu: but understand
that in any perspective,
there's something fundamentally broken with
telling V "press me
this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging
tool, but it is not a v-ism.
mircea_popescu: mno, ideally we'll discuss
this
to
the point we are happily getting it
mircea_popescu: in any case - v, as any new coin, has
to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is
the scary step before us right now.
ben_vulpes: i should simply expect misery from you every
time i bring up
the
topic of how a v might work
then?
mircea_popescu: and subtle - which is
to say just subtle enough
to avoid detection by
the head it sits in.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's easy
to pick on alf about his enamourement with
the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
mircea_popescu: hence it's not as much what we "want" from our
tools per se. merely what we expect
them
to be
mircea_popescu: which is why
things such as "official best policy for X" never even got
to
the discussion phase, as i've always
torpedoed it ?
mircea_popescu: let's use
this angle : do you understand what i mean in
that ancient article about how coherence in
the wot is
the worst attack on
the wot ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i've been sitting here
trying
to get
this in saner
terms.
ben_vulpes: try like i'm five,
the windows comparison is shorting me out
mircea_popescu realises
that
the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in
the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
ben_vulpes: how is
this "user's script" not precisely
the windows release?
mod6: im not sure why yours is saying
that.
mircea_popescu: the idea is exctly NOT
to have coder comfort and sanity at
the expense of "this is
the user's script"
mircea_popescu: the idea is
to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign
toi land
trouble on
tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough
to prefer you over
the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
ben_vulpes: there is
the "bitcoin as
these gentlemen"
ben_vulpes: you will get a release patch and you will press
to it.
there is your hammer.
ben_vulpes: *i* want
to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
mircea_popescu: perhaps...
to help african children ? or other groups dear
to our hearts ?
mircea_popescu: should bitcoin also be useful for something more other
than ~dependably~ keeping
track of moneyz ?
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am laboring under
the misapprehension
that v should be useful for something other
than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
ben_vulpes: you - want
to sink nails. i want
to pull
them out occasionally.
mircea_popescu: it seems somewhat improbable
that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
ben_vulpes: unless you expect it
to be only and ever a release
tool and not a
tool for people actually working on
the
thing
to use in
their workflow.
mircea_popescu: the only sane
thing
to say
to V is "i want
the bitcoin as
these gentlement
think it is best "
ben_vulpes: what one might say
to a V implementation.