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mircea_popescu: the fact remains that in all attempts of building things atop non-v environments (specifically : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411198 ) result in the same thing. ☝︎
asciilifeform: because there was no other ride.
asciilifeform: and the few intelligent, honest folk, along for the ride
asciilifeform: i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.
asciilifeform: i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
mircea_popescu: having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
mircea_popescu: well, without getting into the nitty details.
asciilifeform: (which is a mighty spiffy thing!)
asciilifeform: iirc he was mainly bleeding to get his vtron up to par ?
mircea_popescu: this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
mircea_popescu: principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
asciilifeform: that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree
asciilifeform: as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
asciilifeform: vs every man with own manually-curated tree
mircea_popescu: it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !
asciilifeform: see thread
mircea_popescu: a throne what ?
BingoBoingo: so, Inversion tables join "edgerouter lite" on TMSR shopping list?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111
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asciilifeform: and yes, this is mega-decentralized and entirely unlike what gavin does and etc. etc.
asciilifeform: that is, if we end up in the position where every developer has own tree, and mircea_popescu is not content to go, e.g., 'gimme what mod6 has' - then ~mircea_popescu~ will have to 'toil and trouble' and hand-merge ?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411126 << does mircea_popescu fully understand that there is NO MACHINE MERGING in v ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'
asciilifeform: but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.
asciilifeform: for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
asciilifeform: 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.
asciilifeform: except - 1) he still have to get the actual contents of that thing somewhere
asciilifeform: now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'
asciilifeform: and hand-backport whenever these are to converge.
asciilifeform: and tentatively conclude that mircea_popescu wants everybody to have own vtree
asciilifeform: so i reread the mega-thread,
mircea_popescu: odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.
mircea_popescu: whatever this is.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411228 << sooo we have the long-awaited miner usgization ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: ^^ the only things you need to actually build it ^^
asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED)
asciilifeform: the bridge, if applied, will turn the tinyscheme into the contents of the shiva subdir in shiva-part-1
asciilifeform: or rather, that link ~is~ tinyscheme-genesis
phf: ooh, so shiva part 2 is the btc tree thing, where's the tinyscheme genesis is where you get the tinyscheme dependency?
phf: but none of these patches contain code that actually touches the bitcoin source
asciilifeform: but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.
asciilifeform: you can in fact do this, by pressing the latter, and then the former
asciilifeform: it exists to ~demonstrate~ that shiva-tinyscheme was created from the tinyscheme-genesis
asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.
asciilifeform: please throw out the old crud. ☟︎
assbot: [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only. ☟︎
phf: i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?
phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge." ☟︎
pete_dushenski: sandniggers too.
BingoBoingo: I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?
pete_dushenski: america's hat's pretty enormous. there's always another corner of desolate tundra with satellite internet to set up camp in.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Gotta keep them straight. What if you must leave America's hat for the malarial side of the ocean?
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 01:24:01; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?
pete_dushenski immediately thought of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2016#1378005 only to realise that he was racialistically lumping all the s.e. asian 20th century massacres together ☝︎
asciilifeform: i see no evidence for this.
mircea_popescu: take them out of that swamp already.
mircea_popescu: good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.
asciilifeform: its a people difference though
mircea_popescu: rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
mircea_popescu: and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
ben_vulpes: but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
mircea_popescu: fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
asciilifeform: and can't entirely move to separate planets
mircea_popescu: the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
asciilifeform: on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb
phf: ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..
mircea_popescu: all universes must be private in this sense.
mircea_popescu: phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.
phf: ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
mircea_popescu: if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
mircea_popescu: "nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
asciilifeform: and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically
asciilifeform: nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.
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ben_vulpes: wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing
asciilifeform: we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: of course. this is intentional and by design.
asciilifeform: did this, and mod6 had to redo it all
asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
asciilifeform: the central repository thing is ultra-broken
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform: and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.
mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
asciilifeform: NO to ANY networking code in v!